- From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:41:22 +0100
- To: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
- CC: Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Ted, These are good examples and good motivation for having a construct that corresponds to generation in the model. Paul Ted Thibodeau Jr wrote: > We were discussing "entity" again today... > > At least one person defined "entity" as "a description of a thing" > based on the definition they read here -- > > http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/FormalSemanticsStrawman#Entities > > An entity is a kind of object that describes a time-slice > of a thing, during which some of the thing's attributes > are fixed. > > I submit that an "entity" is a "thing" which is identified by > some set of immutable characteristics (which set may or may not > be fully defined -- much as philosophy continues to debate what > set of immutable characteristics defines a particular person, > the more so given such personality changes as may be observed > following various injuries or pharmaceutical treatments). > > When an immutable characteristic changes, one entity becomes > another. When a mutable characteristic changes, the entity > remains the same, but its description (and one might say, its > provenance) changes. > > > That discussion arose in context of the "Entity Invalidation" > proposal found here -- > > <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd5-prov-dm-misc.html#Proposal%201:%20On%20Entity%20Invalidation> > > The examples seen there were confusing (conflating a web address > with the entity/ies to which the address may be dereferenced) and > not compelling to the audience at hand. > > I had some hopefully more compelling, and also hopefully less > confusing, examples which I was asked to post to the list. > > Herewith... > > > A "tree" comprises some amount of "wood". When the "tree" is > felled, one might say it is no longer a "tree" (it no longer > stands; the stump which remains was once an integral part of > the tree; it no longer sprouts leaves; etc.)... > > Let us say that the wood which comprised the bulk of that tree > is transformed into a table. > > The table is a new entity -- immutable characteristics include > the carpenter who constructed it, the "tabletop" surface on > which things may be placed, and the legs which hold it off the > floor. > > Mutable characteristics not relevant to its "table-ness" include > its color, its exact shape, its height. I might cut a round table > into a square, paint it, or shorten its legs, without it becoming > a new entity. > > If any of the immutable characteristics are removed or destroyed > -- for instance, if the whole is broken into pieces such that it > cannot perform as a table -- the "table" entity is no more. > > However -- the wood remains. > > In the framework of the "entity" definition I quoted earlier, the > "table" is a time-slice of the "wood". The *tree* is a time-slice > of the "wood". Many characteristics of the wood change -- but it > remains the wood of the original tree. > > At some point, the wood -- even the entire table -- may be thrown > on a bonfire, and the entirety may be consumed. > > The table entity is no more -- the required characteristics are > no longer present. > > The *wood* entity is no more -- it has been consumed by fire, and > transformed into ash. > > > During the call, I suggested another example which (I think) lends > strong support to the need for a "destruction" or similar construct > which corresponds to "generation" or "creation". > > A "Great Master" "creates" a "painting". The "painting" "hangs" > in a "museum". The "museum" and all works therein are "consumed" > by a "fire". Witnesses see this particular "painting" so "consumed". > Years later, a "painting" looking very much like the original comes > up for auction... > > Real-world Provenance cries out for the ability to say that the > museum piece *was* destroyed, so this work being auctioned > *cannot* be (or at least, it is highly doubtful that it is) the > same entity. Real-world Provenance also allows for the possibility > that the entity consumed in the fire was not the "original" which > is now on auction -- that the burned painting was a forgery... > > But *something* was burned, was destroyed, can no longer be sold. > > > Hopefully this exploration is helpful ... > > Regards, > > Ted > > > > > -- > A: Yes. http://www.guckes.net/faq/attribution.html > | Q: Are you sure? > | | A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > | | | Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > > Ted Thibodeau, Jr. // voice +1-781-273-0900 x32 > Evangelism& Support // mailto:tthibodeau@openlinksw.com > // http://twitter.com/TallTed > OpenLink Software, Inc. // http://www.openlinksw.com/ > 10 Burlington Mall Road, Suite 265, Burlington MA 01803 > Weblog -- http://www.openlinksw.com/blogs/ > LinkedIn -- http://www.linkedin.com/company/openlink-software/ > Twitter -- http://twitter.com/OpenLink > Google+ -- http://plus.google.com/100570109519069333827/ > Facebook -- http://www.facebook.com/OpenLinkSoftware > Universal Data Access, Integration, and Management Technology Providers > > > > > -- Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth Assistant Professor Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group Artificial Intelligence Section Department of Computer Science VU University Amsterdam
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