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Re: Comment on http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl

From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:31:35 +0200
Message-ID: <CAJCyKRoLzjL3rz0SeD3xJe7wo_6UzwW=q-Lg44wdUyAS0=Z9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@gmail.com>
Cc: "public-prov-comments@w3.org" <public-prov-comments@w3.org>
Dear Alan,

Thanks for your comments. We have entered it into in our tracker as
ISSUE-552. You can check on our internal discussion at

As to not bombard you with emails, we'll discuss this internally and
get back to your either with clarification questions or hopefully a
resolution of the issue.

Thanks for taking the time to look at prov.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Alan Ruttenberg
<alanruttenberg@gmail.com> wrote:
> The definition of Quotation includes "Quotation is a particular case of
> derivation.". However Quotation is not a subclass of Derivation, which is
> what the english would imply. A better wording, assuming I understand the
> current english would be: "Quotation is a kind of derivation".
> On quick glance (I will try to submit a more detailed report) there are a
> number of cases where the subclass relation is not used in a way that seems
> consistent with the definition. For example:
> Influence:
> Influence is the capacity an entity, activity, or agent to have an effect on
> the character, development, or behavior of another by means of usage, start,
> end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution,
> association, or delegation.
> Subclass,
> Entity influence:
> EntityInfluence provides additional descriptions of an Entity's binary
> influence upon any other kind of resource. Instances of EntityInfluence use
> the prov:entity property to cite the influencing Entity.
> Subclass:
> Start:
> Start is when an activity is deemed to have started. The activity did not
> exist before its start. Any usage or generation involving an activity
> follows the activity's start. A start may refer to an entity, known as
> trigger, that set off the activity, or to an activity, known as starter,
> that generated the trigger.
> ---
> So an influence is a capacity, an entity influence is a provider (of
> descriptions) and a start is a "when" (a time). None of these are subclasses
> of the other in the general understanding of the english terms.
> -Alan

Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
Assistant Professor
- Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group |
  Artificial Intelligence Section | Department of Computer Science
- The Network Institute
VU University Amsterdam
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