Re: Privacy CG draft charter

> there is no harm from leaving incubation in scope for PING

I don't understand this point in the charter.  I wish I had understood that the proposed PING charter language apparently refers to *technical spec* incubation before the ballot closed, because I would have pushed for us to formally object.

Interest Groups are not an appropriate venue for technical spec incubation. The process document says:
5 Working Groups and Interest Groups

This document defines two types of groups:

     *   Working Groups.<https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#GroupsWG> Working Groups typically produce deliverables (e.g., Recommendation Track technical reports<https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#rec-advance>, software, test suites, and reviews of the deliverables of other groups). There are additional participation requirements described in the W3C Patent Policy<https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy>.
     *   Interest Groups.<https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#GroupsIG> The primary goal of an Interest Group is to bring together people who wish to evaluate potential Web technologies and policies. An Interest Group is a forum for the exchange of ideas.

Also, AFAICT IG's operate under the Disclosure Requirements subset of the patent policy. [BTW, the links in the draft charter the AC voted on are broken].  CG's  do spec incubation work under an explicit, lightweight patent policy.  While they don't necessarily operate under a consensus process, we can tweak the Privacy CG description to be an informal charter requiring consensus decisions, buy-in from multiple implementers on spec proposals, and so forth.

> My preference and recommendation is to not change the PING charter at this
> time.  We all understand the new split of work proposed above,

I can live with that, but wonder what others think about moving PING from an IG to a WG fairly soon?  It's clear that the W3C privacy community wants to a more authoritative voice, and that implies it should work via the WG consensus process and patent policy.   Creating a WG iprobably sn't necessary until the proposed CG incubates specs ready for the standards track, but it's worth some up-front discussion.
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From: Samuel Weiler <weiler@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 5:49 AM
To: W3C Privacy Interest Group <public-privacy@w3.org>
Subject: Privacy CG draft charter

Colleagues,

There is some interesting privacy specification work afoot, most of
which is not quite ready to be in a WG.  Attendees at TPAC agreed to
incubate that work in a new Privacy Community Group (CG).  The Privacy
Interest Group (PING) will continue to handle horizontal review and
general guidance docs, such as the threat model doc it just adopted and
the questionnaire that was updated in collaboration with the TAG earlier
this year.

Below is a proposed charter for the new CG.  Discussions about chairs
for the CG are still in progress - I hope we will wrap those up in the
next few days.  In the meantime, I invite discussion on the charter.


"The mission of the Privacy Community Group is to improve user privacy
on the web. This community group will incubate the next set of
privacy-focused web standards to improve browser behavior for user
privacy. This group coordinates closely with the Privacy Interest Group
(PING); it is expected that high-level privacy concepts, threat models,
etc., developed in the Privacy Interest Group will be incorporated into
the technical standards produced in this community group. Initial
participants will include multiple browser vendors, privacy advocates,
web application developers, and other interested parties. This group's
work will be done primarily in GitHub."  [Thanks to Jatinder Mann for
this draft.]

As in the draft charter, I expect the CG and PING to work in close
cooperation.  There was some discussion of what tooling, if any, to
share with PING.  I suspect the answers will be: separate GitHub repos,
separate mailing list, and same Slack instance (if the CG wants to use
Slack at all).  I trust the CG chairs to sort that out.

Some have observed that incubation is still (also) in scope for PING,
per the draft charter that went out for AC review in June.  My
preference and recommendation is to not change the PING charter at this
time.  We all understand the new split of work proposed above, and there
is no harm from leaving incubation in scope for PING.  PING's new
charter has already been delayed by other things, and I don't want to
further delay it.  Assuming all goes as planned, we can clean this up
the next time we revise the PING charter.  And if this CG were to
somehow not be the right thing, incubation at least has a fallback home
in PING.

Lastly, if anyone has a slick name for the new CG that results in a
usable and pronouncable acronym and might help newcomers understand the
differences between PING and the CG, I would love the suggestion.
"Privacy CG" doesn't capture much, and "Privacy Incubation CG" doesn't
have a good acronym.  (I think renaming of PING might also be in scope,
so feel free to be creative.)

-- Sam Weiler, W3C/MIT