Re: oo.apple.com

How is that different from what P3P attempted?

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Mark Lizar <info@smartspecies.com> wrote:

> These are good points.
>
> As well, all symptoms I believe of a lack of a simple standard in notice.
>  Needed to  provide a common(universal) location and structure for notices
> to be read, discovered and made accessible.
>
> As a result every Enterprise needs to push notices to people limiting the
> ability for people to pull notice and manage notices on aggregate.
>
>  We run into this issue with informed consent online.  Something I view as
> a specific type of two-way (or bilateral) notice.  Right now there are way
> too many notices.
>
> Consent notices (the primary online control tool)  causes friction between
> enterprise and users causing high drop out rates online. One approach where
> a notice standard could reduce the amount of notices could be:   if a user
> could tag a consent notice (or opt iin/out) with an identifier and link it
> for administration later.  The development of notices for consent and
> especially informed consent for management post consent provision would be a
> way to reduce notices and increase their value.   Providing an increase in
> usability of controls online.
>
> Maybe notices for control of information  need to be standardised so that
> the number of notices can be reduced and the quality and clarity of notice
> can be increased?
>
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> On 21 Apr 2011, at 12:59, Malcolm Crompton wrote:
>
>  All good points, but it misses a long running issue rapidly emerging into
>> prominence from the recent spate of industry offerings to consumers to
>> give
>> them some control - the sum of all these different notices and controls
>> from
>> lots of apps and platforms etc is overwhelming and does not come together
>> in
>> a way that the ordinary user is going to understand or have time to get
>> across.  See the following URL for quite a good exposition of the issues:
>>
>>
>> http://abine.com/wordpress/http:/abine.com/wordpress/2011/choosing-internet-
>> privacy-software-comparing-your-options/
>>
>>
>> Malcolm Crompton
>>
>> Managing Director
>> Information Integrity Solutions Pty Ltd
>> ABN 78 107 611 898
>>
>> T:  +61 407 014 450
>>
>> MCrompton@iispartners.com
>> www.iispartners.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-privacy-request@w3.org [mailto:public-privacy-request@w3.org
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Rigo Wenning
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 9:39 PM
>> To: Mark Lizar
>> Cc: public-privacy@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: oo.apple.com
>>
>> On Thursday 21 April 2011 13:29:12 Mark Lizar wrote:
>>
>>> What is required is an open standard for notices online so that
>>> signalling of tracking and other policies can always be discoverable,
>>> accessible technically.  An application (or in this case Apple Iphone)
>>> could then always link via a standard in notice to a common place and
>>> location for layered notices to  any one application, service,
>>> Enterprise and perhaps with some significant collaboration how they
>>> apply in context.
>>>
>>
>> This could be suggested to the DAP Working Group IMHO. Some kind of
>> notification infrastructure is definitely needed whether we talk about
>> informed consent (EU) or notice & choice (US).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rigo
>>
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