- From: 전종홍 <hollobit@etri.re.kr>
- Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:19:43 +0900
- To: "Seiler, Karl" <karl.seiler@navteq.com>, <nathan@webr3.org>, "Andy Braun" <ajbraun@gmail.com>
- Cc: "Roy Davies" <roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz>, "Thomas Wrobel" <darkflame@gmail.com>, "Hegde, Vinod" <vinod.hegde@deri.org>, <public-poiwg@w3.org>, "Dan Brickley" <danbri@danbri.org>
I think we should consider both. So, I think that Location is only the one of optional information. Best Regards, --- Jonathan Jeon > -----Original Message----- > From: public-poiwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-poiwg-request@w3.org] On > Behalf Of Seiler, Karl > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:32 AM > To: nathan@webr3.org; Andy Braun > Cc: Roy Davies; Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan > Brickley > Subject: RE: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location > > I am beginning to feel like this is a recurring and circular discussion. > Things (people, staplers, cars) have highly variable locations and places > (a park, buildings, a store, a photo spot, a scenic drive) also have low > volatility locations. > > Are we encompassing both or just places. > > _______________________________ > Karl Seiler > Director Location Technology & Services > NAVTEQ - Chicago > (T) +312-894-7231 > (M) +312-375-5932 > www.navteq.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan [mailto:nathan@webr3.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:25 PM > To: Andy Braun > Cc: Roy Davies; Seiler, Karl; Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public- > poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley > Subject: Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location > > Overlaying the current location of a train/bus on a map or augmented on a > street view? Fleet tracking for haulage? Staff location of remote salesmen? > > Andy Braun wrote: > > In the case of a roving POI, the location is usable but often not a > > interesting piece of information. > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Roy Davies > > <roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz>wrote: > > > >> Could not a POI be attached to a roving physical thing, however, like > >> a Taxi or Bus? I interpret POI as Point of Interest rather than > >> Place of Interest. And a Point of Interest could be attached to > >> something that is moving. Further, to me, a POI may be temporary, so > >> be at a particular point (or roving object) for only a certain period > of time. > >> > >> /Roy. > >> -- > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> Dr. Roy C. Davies, The VR Guy. > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> Managing Director, LOOK-HERE IP Holdings Ltd. > >> Consultant and Managing Director, The Flexible Reality Studio Ltd. > >> Senior Research Fellow, VRSuite, CoLab, Auckland University of > >> Technology > >> (AUT) > >> > >> EMAIL: roy.c.davies@ieee.org, roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz, > >> roy.c.davies@aut.ac.nz, roycdavies@mac.com > >> > >> LINKEDIN: http://nz.linkedin.com/in/roycdavies > >> MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/roycdavies > >> FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/roy.c.davies > >> TWITTER: http://twitter.com/roycdavies > >> > >> SKYPE: roycdavies > >> MSN: roy.c.davies@ieee.org > >> ICQ: 2557565 > >> YOUTUBE: drroycdavies > >> > >> PH: +64 (0)21 795294, +64 (0)9 8338360 > >> WEB: www.flexstudio.co.nz, www.look-here.info, > >> www.humanitycomputer.org, www.forwardthinking.org.nz, > >> www.colab.org.nz > >> > >> On 27/04/2011, at 7:24 AM, Seiler, Karl wrote: > >> > >> If POI stands for Place-of-interest then by definition and > >> scope/charter we are defining the means to describe a place. > >> > >> Also, if we want to drop the idea of a Place-of-interest having an > >> "unknown" location, to keep from sliding sideways into descriptions > >> of concepts, then I am OK with that. > >> > >> _______________________________ > >> *Karl Seiler* > >> *Director Location Technology & Services*** NAVTEQ - Chicago > >> (T) +312-894-7231 > >> (M) +312-375-5932 > >> www.navteq.com > >> > >> *From:* public-poiwg-request@w3.org > >> [mailto:public-poiwg-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Braun > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:09 PM > >> *To:* nathan@webr3.org > >> *Cc:* Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley > >> *Subject:* Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location > >> > >> My question about whether or not a POI must have a location comes > >> down to whether or not location is important. > >> > >> Take for example the "'66 Camaro", I can identify this point of > >> interest by its distinctive style. There is a great deal of > >> interesting data associated with this car. While I will not try to > >> argue that this car has no location, I would argue that its location > >> isn't necessary to pull the interesting data. > >> > >> > >> Andy > >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Nathan <nathan@webr3.org> wrote: > >> Thomas Wrobel wrote: > >> " to let users create POIs for Art of Computer Programming, Easter > >> ,The Social Network " > >> > >> No, because they arnt POIs. > >> We arnt trying to make a database of all concepts here. (Thats what > >> Linked data is for, theres already plenty of databases forming for > >> all sorts of conceptual things; > >> http://www.schemaweb.info/schema/BrowseSchema.aspx has a few) > >> > >> +1, fully agree. > >> > >> > >> A POI could have a category, but that doesn't mean all categories are > POIs. > >> > >> > >> have a category, or be a category? > >> > >> > >> "Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.?" > >> > >> I hope not, to me that seems exactly like making a "href" in html > >> without pointing it anywhere - its meaningless. > >> I vote strongly for POIs needing a location (of some form) in order > >> to be valid. > >> > >> > >> agree, a specific point, a region or a path - pretty much a usefully > >> constrained subset of the OpenGIS concepts. > >> > >> on that note, the main questions I'd raise are: > >> > >> a - support for real world locations only? > >> b - any spatial world, real or not? > >> c - coordinates for space, relating to say planets or satellites? > >> > >> (gut instinct says only a). > >> > >> Following on from that, define abstract datatypes and certain lexical > >> forms to be used in say XML and JSON or RDF. > >> > >> Following on from that, perhaps a schema for the properties, defined > >> in RDF, XML-Schema and JSON-Schema. > >> > >> If this WG did all of that (even though I'm only on the outskirts and > >> have no knowledge other than the charter and browsing a few mails), > >> it'd be a great addition to the web, IMHO. > >> > >> Unsure: > >> - any need for a specific scheme to encode locations in a URI form? > >> If so, new scheme or data: or using some fragments form like media > fragments did? > >> > >> All the Best, > >> > >> Nathan > >> > >> > >> To me a POI should, essentially, be a physical hyperlink - a way to > >> link the real and virtual worlds together in some form. > >> > >> -Thomas > >> > >> > >> ~~~~~~ > >> Reviews of anything, by anyone; > >> www.rateoholic.co.uk > >> Please try out my new site and give feedback :) > >> > >> > >> > >> On 20 April 2011 16:32, Hegde, Vinod <vinod.hegde@deri.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> Once we use some real world categorization schema as defined in say > >> Wikipedia, it lets us define categories for almost all the 'entities' > >> we know. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Computer_Programming Categories > >> it belongs to : 1968 books | 1969 books | 1973 books | 1981 books | > >> Computer books | Computer programming | Computer science books | > >> Algorithms | Analysis of algorithms | Monographs | Books by Donald > >> Knuth | Addison-Wesley books It HAS NO LOCATION > >> > >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Categories it belongs to : > >> Easter | Christian holidays | Holy Week It HAS NO LOCATION > >> > >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Network Categories it belongs > to: > >> 2010 films | American films | English-language films | Facebook | > >> 2010s drama films | American biographical films | American business > >> films |American legal drama films | Courtroom dramas | Films whose > >> writer won the Best Adapted Screenplay Academy Award | Best Original > >> Music Score Academy Award winners | Films whose editor won the Best > >> Film Editing Academy Award | Films directed by David Fincher | Films > >> about technology | Films about the media | Films about fraternities > >> and sororities | Films based on non-fiction books | Films set in > >> California | Films set in Massachusetts | Films set in 2003 | Films > >> set in 2004 | Films set in > >> 2005 | Films shot digitally | Films shot in California | Films shot > >> in Massachusetts | Nonlinear narrative films | Relativity Media films > >> | Columbia Pictures films It HAS NO LOCATION > >> > >> > >> > >> My concern was whether we are going to let users create POIs for Art > >> of Computer Programming, Easter ,The Social Network and millions of > >> such 'real world' entities( for which we can identify some category > >> in Wikipedia but the entity itself has no location). > >> > >> > >> > >> That is are we going to let users create POIs belonging to categories > >> which do not support location in their semantics.? > >> > >> Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vinod > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> The information contained in this communication may be CONFIDENTIAL > >> and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. 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