RE: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location

I think we should consider both. 

So, I think that Location is only the one of optional information. 

Best Regards, 

--- Jonathan Jeon 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-poiwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-poiwg-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Seiler, Karl
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:32 AM
> To: nathan@webr3.org; Andy Braun
> Cc: Roy Davies; Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan
> Brickley
> Subject: RE: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location
> 
> I am beginning to feel like this is a recurring and circular discussion.
> Things (people, staplers, cars) have highly variable locations and places
> (a park, buildings, a store, a photo spot, a scenic drive) also have low
> volatility locations.
> 
> Are we encompassing both or just places.
> 
> _______________________________
> Karl Seiler
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan [mailto:nathan@webr3.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: Andy Braun
> Cc: Roy Davies; Seiler, Karl; Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-
> poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley
> Subject: Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location
> 
> Overlaying the current location of a train/bus on a map or augmented on a
> street view? Fleet tracking for haulage? Staff location of remote salesmen?
> 
> Andy Braun wrote:
> > In the case of a roving POI, the location is usable but often not a
> > interesting piece of information.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Roy Davies
> > <roy.c.davies@flexstudio.co.nz>wrote:
> >
> >> Could not a POI be attached to a roving physical thing, however, like
> >> a Taxi or Bus?  I interpret POI as Point of Interest rather than
> >> Place of Interest.  And a Point of Interest could be attached to
> >> something that is moving.  Further, to me, a POI may be temporary, so
> >> be at a particular point (or roving object) for only a certain period
> of time.
> >>
> >> /Roy.
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> >> On 27/04/2011, at 7:24 AM, Seiler, Karl wrote:
> >>
> >> If POI stands for Place-of-interest then by definition and
> >> scope/charter we are defining the means to describe a place.
> >>
> >> Also, if we want to drop the idea of a Place-of-interest having an
> >> "unknown" location, to keep from sliding sideways into descriptions
> >> of concepts, then I am OK with that.
> >>
> >> _______________________________
> >> *Karl Seiler*
> >> *Director Location Technology & Services*** NAVTEQ - Chicago
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> >>
> >> *From:* public-poiwg-request@w3.org
> >> [mailto:public-poiwg-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Andy Braun
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:09 PM
> >> *To:* nathan@webr3.org
> >> *Cc:* Thomas Wrobel; Hegde, Vinod; public-poiwg@w3.org; Dan Brickley
> >> *Subject:* Re: Categorization + Whether a POI must have location
> >>
> >> My question about whether or not a POI must have a location comes
> >> down to whether or not location is important.
> >>
> >>  Take for example the "'66 Camaro", I can identify this point of
> >> interest by its distinctive style. There is a great deal of
> >> interesting data associated with this car.  While I will not try to
> >> argue that this car has no location, I would argue that its location
> >> isn't necessary to pull the interesting data.
> >>
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Nathan <nathan@webr3.org> wrote:
> >> Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> >> " to let users create POIs for Art of Computer Programming, Easter
> >> ,The Social Network "
> >>
> >> No, because they arnt POIs.
> >> We arnt trying to make a database of all concepts here. (Thats what
> >> Linked data is for, theres already plenty of databases forming for
> >> all sorts of conceptual things;
> >> http://www.schemaweb.info/schema/BrowseSchema.aspx has a few)
> >>
> >> +1, fully agree.
> >>
> >>
> >> A POI could have a category, but that doesn't mean all categories are
> POIs.
> >>
> >>
> >> have a category, or be a category?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.?"
> >>
> >> I hope not, to me that seems exactly like making a "href" in html
> >> without pointing it anywhere - its meaningless.
> >> I vote strongly for POIs needing a location (of some form) in order
> >> to be valid.
> >>
> >>
> >> agree, a specific point, a region or a path - pretty much a usefully
> >> constrained subset of the OpenGIS concepts.
> >>
> >> on that note, the main questions I'd raise are:
> >>
> >> a - support for real world locations only?
> >> b - any spatial world, real or not?
> >> c - coordinates for space, relating to say planets or satellites?
> >>
> >> (gut instinct says only a).
> >>
> >> Following on from that, define abstract datatypes and certain lexical
> >> forms to be used in say XML and JSON or RDF.
> >>
> >> Following on from that, perhaps a schema for the properties, defined
> >> in RDF, XML-Schema and JSON-Schema.
> >>
> >> If this WG did all of that (even though I'm only on the outskirts and
> >> have no knowledge other than the charter and browsing a few mails),
> >> it'd be a great addition to the web, IMHO.
> >>
> >> Unsure:
> >> - any need for a specific scheme to encode locations in a URI form?
> >> If so, new scheme or data: or using some fragments form like media
> fragments did?
> >>
> >> All the Best,
> >>
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >>
> >> To me a POI should, essentially, be a physical hyperlink - a way to
> >> link the real and virtual worlds together in some form.
> >>
> >> -Thomas
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 April 2011 16:32, Hegde, Vinod <vinod.hegde@deri.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Once we use some real world categorization schema as defined in say
> >> Wikipedia, it lets us define categories for almost all the 'entities'
> >> we know.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Computer_Programming  Categories
> >> it belongs to : 1968 books | 1969 books | 1973 books | 1981 books |
> >> Computer books | Computer programming | Computer science books |
> >> Algorithms | Analysis of algorithms | Monographs | Books by Donald
> >> Knuth | Addison-Wesley books  It HAS NO LOCATION
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter Categories it belongs to :
> >> Easter | Christian holidays | Holy Week It HAS NO LOCATION
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Network Categories it belongs
> to:
> >>  2010 films | American films | English-language films | Facebook |
> >> 2010s drama films | American biographical films | American business
> >> films |American legal drama films | Courtroom dramas | Films whose
> >> writer won the Best Adapted Screenplay Academy Award | Best Original
> >> Music Score Academy Award winners | Films whose editor won the Best
> >> Film Editing Academy Award | Films directed by David Fincher | Films
> >> about technology | Films about the media | Films about fraternities
> >> and sororities | Films based on non-fiction books | Films set in
> >> California | Films set in Massachusetts | Films set in 2003 | Films
> >> set in 2004 | Films set in
> >> 2005 | Films shot digitally | Films shot in California | Films shot
> >> in Massachusetts | Nonlinear narrative films | Relativity Media films
> >> | Columbia Pictures films  It HAS NO LOCATION
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My concern was whether we are going to let users create POIs for Art
> >> of Computer Programming, Easter ,The Social Network and millions of
> >> such 'real world' entities( for which we can identify some category
> >> in Wikipedia but the entity itself has no location).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That is are we going to let users create POIs belonging to categories
> >> which do not support location in their semantics.?
> >>
> >> Can users create these POI's with location as unknown.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Vinod
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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