Re: POI WG charter status

It is great living in the USA. By the time you wake up, someone else may
have already given you the right words and finished the debate.

So first off, I think the most important thing is: "it's better to finalise
things in W3C WGs than to invent them"

Secondly, the intention is that this group needs "to focus on stabilising
this existing space as a starting point".  I also completely agree that
sensors are an important aspect to our ongoing discussions.

Finally just a comment on ISMAR. It does look like the AR standards workshop
[1] will be great but the charter for this POI WG will either be pending
approval or just passed. So while I will participate in the event along with
many other members of this working group, it isn't a W3C meeting and we
can't really hold one either.

Andy



[1] http://www.perey.com/ARStandardsMeeting.html


On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Rob Manson <roBman@mob-labs.com> wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> I think there are already a lot of reference designs for a POI standard
> including Layar [1], Junaio [2], KARML/Geospot [3], SimpleGeo [4],
> GeoJSON [5], GeoRSS [6], Geo Microformat [7], OpenGeo [8], Geo Planet
> [9] just to name a very few.
>
> What we're missing is the work from an open standards body to generalise
> these different approaches into a simple, coherent and re-usable model
> to bind these disparate data silo's into one single shared web of POIs.
>
> So I completely agree with you...we ought to have one by now 8)
>
> If this group needs to focus on stabilising this existing space as a
> starting point then I do think that's a great idea.  And keeping the
> door open to evolve this mission as the field quickly changes - largely
> driven by the community of implementors - will also be essential.
>
> I'm really looking forward to reviewing all of these approaches at the
> Standards Workshop in Seoul and I think as a group we can definitely
> work to consolidate some useful perspectives to feed back into this
> groups work.
>
> I also think that the broader focus on sensors and Patterns of Interest
> will inform a lot of our ongoing discussions too.
>
>
> roBman
>
> [1] http://layar.pbworks.com/GetPOIs-Request+and+Response+Examples
> [2] http://www.junaio.com/publisher/poissearch
> [3] https://research.cc.gatech.edu/kharma/content/karml-reference
> [4] http://simplegeo.com/docs/getting-started/introduction#what-record
> [5] http://geojson.org/geojson-spec.html#point
> [6] http://www.georss.org/Main_Page
> [7] http://microformats.org/wiki/geo
> [8] http://opengeo.org/publications/opengeo-architecture/#4
> [9] http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 09:16 +0200, Dan Brickley wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Rob Manson <roBman@mob-labs.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy,
> > >
> > > I'm fascinated to see how cut-down the charter now is, especially based
> > > on the public discussion and apparent consensus that had been forming
> on
> > > this list.
> > >
> > > Personally I find it hard to see how a solely Point of Interest
> standard
> > > based on the thinnest definition will be anything but very out dated
> and
> > > redundant by Dec 2011 (scheduled date for REC).
> >
> > If a workable POI standard is so easy, we ought to have one by now!
> >
> > > Also, since so many people will be in Seoul for ISMAR10, ISWC, Mobile
> AR
> > > Summit and the AR Standards Workshop then surely that would be a great
> > > time to kick off this discussion in more detail.
> >
> > Good idea. If you can also kick start a community of implementors who
> > will try to build, test and refine richer, more sophisticated
> > potential standards for Geo/AR, it should be possible imho for the W3C
> > group's mission to evolve over the next year or so to track that
> > changing reality. But in the absence of candidate designs that have
> > multiple implementations, I'm completely supportive of a modest,
> > "let's stabilise the basics" charter.
> >
> > Generally it's better to finalise things in W3C WGs than to invent
> > them, and we still seem to be in a very inventive phase here...
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > >
> > > roBman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:12 -0400, Braun, Andrew wrote:
> > >> Hi Everyone,
> > >>
> > >> First off an introduction, I am Andy Braun from Sony Ericsson. I have
> > >> been tagged to chair this POI working group. In addition to this
> > >> group, my responsibilities in Sony Ericsson include researching
> > >> emerging web and application technologies for the office of the CTO.
> > >>
> > >> I hope those of you who are Advisory Committee representatives have
> > >> already seen that a Points of Interest WG charter [1] has been
> > >> submitted for review. The charter details three main deliverables: a
> > >> "Points of Interest" Recommendation, a WG Note detailing AR specific
> > >> POI properties, and another note that covers how AR and Web standards
> > >> can converge.  There are other potentially separate deliverables, such
> > >> as best practices, use cases/requirements, a 'landscape' document,
> > >> test suite, etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The review period ends on the 24th of September, so please be sure
> > >> that you or your AC rep fill in the survey [2] as soon as possible.
> > >>  If you haven't joined W3C yet, now is the time.  Once the review
> > >> ends, there is a two week period where W3C management reviews the
> > >> results and creates the new WG.  So, the WG should be ready to go the
> > >> week of 11 October.  While we could have our first teleconference
> > >> during the week of 11 October, many of the group’s participants will
> > >> likely be at ISMAR that week. So I recommend we have our call during
> > >> the week of 18 October.  Before then, I'll send out a poll for
> > >> selecting the time and date. I'll follow up with an agenda about a
> > >> week or so before the meeting.
> > >>
> > >> With regards to the first face to face meeting, we did talk about
> > >> meeting at TPAC in Lyon during November. However, for a number of
> > >> reasons which I am happy to discuss, this will not be possible. I
> > >> would like to meet face to face this year. With holidays approaching I
> > >> believe the best chance would be during the first week or second week
> > >> of December.  I will provide more details about the site and logistics
> > >> in a future note.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I look forward to a continued interesting and fruitful discussion.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Andy Braun
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1] http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/charter/
> > >> [2] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/POI-2010/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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