- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:59:44 -0500
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the February 11 voice conference are available at the following and copied below: <http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html> WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-pointer-events mail list before February 18. In the absence of any changes, these minutes will be considered approved. -Thanks, ArtB [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Pointer Events Call 11 Feb 2014 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-irc Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, Jacob_Rossi, Matt_Brubeck, Olli_Pettay, Asir_Vedamuthu Regrets Rick_Byers, Cathy_Chan, Scott_Gonzαlez, Patrick_Lauke Chair ArtB Scribe ArtB Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Agree on agenda 2. [5]adding an informative note re touch events? 3. [6]ACTION-68: Proposed text for "contextmenu issue" 4. [7]Exception usage 5. [8]Focus/blur? 6. [9]Pointer cancel event dispatching 7. [10]Testing status 8. [11]CR implementation updates 9. [12]AoB * [13]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <patrick_h_lauke> belated regrets from me, sorry. something came up just in the last few minutes (must dash off early to pick up little one from childminder now) Agree on agenda <patrick_h_lauke> i WAS intending to take part, had it not been for this last second change of plan. sorry AB: I posted a draft agenda on February 11 [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0073.html. We have a few regrets so we may need to factor that in for some discussions. Other than that, are there any change requests? [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0073.html. adding an informative note re touch events? AB: Patrick started this thread on January 31 [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0064.html. ... Rick replied [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0065.html and I did too, suggesting Patrick create a concrete proposal we can discuss. [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0066.html ... any comments? ... I'll create an action for Patrick [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0064.html. [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0065.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0066.html <scribe> ACTION: Patrick create a proposal re informative note re PointerEvent and TouchEvent compatibility. [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Create a proposal re informative note re pointerevent and touchevent compatibility. [on Patrick Lauke - due 2014-02-18]. <smaug> yup ACTION-68: Proposed text for "contextmenu issue" AB: Rick proposed text for Action-68 on January 28; [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0061.html. ... any comments or can we approve Rick's proposal "as is"? [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0061.html. JR: works for me AB: anyone else? MB: looks ok RESOLUTION: group agrees with the text Rick proposed re Action-68 <scribe> ACTION: Jacob update spec to reflect 11-Feb-2014 discussion of Action-68 [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Update spec to reflect 11-feb-2014 discussion of action-68 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-02-18]. Exception usage AB: Anne raised this issue on February 3; [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0067.html. Anne recommends the PE spec use the JavaScript built-in RangeError rather than DOMException with a new name of "InvalidPointerId". ... so far, no one has replied. There is a consistency argument here but this change would also presumably break implementations so there is also a cost to consider. [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0067.html. JR: I could be out of date on the latest from DOM and Web IDL I don't have any data re an impact of the proposed change Not sure RangeError is correct If an invalid id is used, not really a range error per se more of a state error I need to think about this some more OP: agree we need something other Range JR: what do you think about what's in the spec now Olli? do you think that should change? OP: if the plan is to not add new DOM Exception and to use builit in we shold consider it MB: I don't see any other builtin exceptions that are a good match based on looking at ES spec Think we should reply to Anne JR: latest info I saw was from Cameron on Jan 28 <jrossi> [22]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21740 [22] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21740 don't want to move to something just because it is "trendy" MB: need to understand what changes are coming DS: and we need to understand the level of consensus for the proposed change <scribe> ACTION: Matt reply to Anne's "Exception usage" e-mail of Feb 3 [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Reply to anne's "exception usage" e-mail of feb 3 [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-02-18]. MB: I think we need some more data <mbrubeck> ECMA-262 defines Error, EvalError, RangeError, ReferenceError, SyntaxError, TypeError and URIError. AB: encourage others to followup too ... that's a short list and I agree, not clear better match Topic Feedback on pointer events AB: Anne submitted 8 additional comments from him and Boris on February 3 [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0069.html. ... there's an implicit Action for everyone to review the comments and reply accordingly. We can discuss some set of the comments now or defer discussion on the list. [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0069.html. JR: some are easy, along the line of "spec mechanics" #5 appears to just be a typo since there is no default action to be canceled #1, think I just need to add a reference MB: #6 is tricky since we don't define default behavior touches on touch-action algorithm we might need to change our language to the proposed form JR: my proposal is for me to make changes for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in a single ED update and I'll send that changeset to the list <scribe> ACTION: Jacob propose changes for 1-5 of Anne's e-mail of Feb 3 [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Propose changes for 1-5 of anne's e-mail of feb 3 [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-02-18]. MB: what about the other items? JR: discuss on the list MB: I can take an action re #6 think #7 is a "ship has sailed" deal Need to think more about #8 OP: not clear about #7 and the devices not tied to a screen not clear its better than Navigator JR: agree; I have a device like that MB: not sure we can make a change at this point <scribe> ACTION: Matt reply to #6 of Anne's Feb 3 comments [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Reply to #6 of anne's feb 3 comments [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-02-18]. <scribe> ACTION: olli reply to #7 of Anne's Feb 3 comments [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Reply to #7 of anne's feb 3 comments [on Olli Pettay - due 2014-02-18]. MB: not sure what about #8 JR: we don't define overall dispatch model in PE spec we just describe behavior for each event not sure where we would define what is proposed <scribe> ACTION: jacob reply to #8 of Anne's Feb 3 e-mail [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Reply to #8 of anne's feb 3 e-mail [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-02-18]. AB: it's good to get the feedback Focus/blur? AB: Patrick started this thread on February 4 [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0071.html ... any comments? [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0071.html OP: think the focus/blur handling should continue to be defined in HTML spec not sure PE spec can say anything useful about this JR: agree with that <scribe> ACTION: olli reply to Patrick's Focus/blur? e-mail of Feb 4 [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Reply to patrick's focus/blur? e-mail of feb 4 [on Olli Pettay - due 2014-02-18]. Pointer cancel event dispatching AB: this thread was started Nikolay Lebedev on February 4 [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 014JanMar/0072.html. ... would someone please followup? [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JanMar/0072.html. MB: Nick is part of MS Open Tech and he is implementing PE in Gecko AV: I think this is just an e-mail seeking clarification JR: yes agree I can reply with "yes, that's OK" <scribe> ACTION: Jacob reply to Nikolay's e-mail of Feb 4 re "Pointer cancel event dispatching" [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Reply to nikolay's e-mail of feb 4 re "pointer cancel event dispatching" [on Jacob Rossi - due 2014-02-18]. Testing status AB: any new testing status since we discussed testing during our last call [33]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/28-pointerevents-minutes.html#ite m10? ... I think we are waiting for some colleagues of Jacob [33] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/28-pointerevents-minutes.html#item10? <asir> who is automated tester? JR: I think some internal changes will make this easier and we can expect an update soon AB: that would be great DS: in case people didn't notice, Opera recently released their Presto tests [to Github] I don't know if they included anything useful for us <smaug> asir: that AutomatedTester who just left this channel is from Mozilla, I think AB: my recollection is Sangwhan reported they would not backport PE to Presto and would use Blink's impl moving forward DS: yes, that might be correct <asir> ok CR implementation updates AB: any new testing status since we discussed implementation during our last call [34]http://www.w3.org/2014/01/28-pointerevents-minutes.html#ite m11? [34] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/28-pointerevents-minutes.html#item11? MB: we are still reviewing patches OP: patches are landing `all the time` AV: do you mean patches from Oleg? MB: yes, patches from Oleg and Nikolay DS: wasn't there some WebKit news? <mbrubeck> [35]https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105463 [35] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105463 <mbrubeck> was resolved WONTFIX AoB AB: anything else for today? DS: during the 2nd week of April, there is a "mini TPAC" by eBay in San Jose does this group want to try to meet there? AB: I'll be there DS: HTMLWG and WebAppsWG will be there AV: will we have agenda items to discuss? JR: we should be done by then AB: I don't think we'll have an urgent need to meet then DS: ok, I just wanted to let people know AB: any other topics for today? ... please address your open Actions ... meeting adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jacob propose changes for 1-5 of Anne's e-mail of Feb 3 [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion04] [NEW] ACTION: jacob reply to #8 of Anne's Feb 3 e-mail [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion07] [NEW] ACTION: Jacob reply to Nikolay's e-mail of Feb 4 re "Pointer cancel event dispatching" [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion09] [NEW] ACTION: Jacob update spec to reflect 11-Feb-2014 discussion of Action-68 [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion02] [NEW] ACTION: Matt reply to #6 of Anne's Feb 3 comments [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion05] [NEW] ACTION: Matt reply to Anne's "Exception usage" e-mail of Feb 3 [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion03] [NEW] ACTION: olli reply to #7 of Anne's Feb 3 comments [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion06] [NEW] ACTION: olli reply to Patrick's Focus/blur? e-mail of Feb 4 [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion08] [NEW] ACTION: Patrick create a proposal re informative note re PointerEvent and TouchEvent compatibility. [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion01] [End of minutes]
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