- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:30:12 +0200
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the December 11 voice conference are available at
<http://www.w3.org/2012/12/11-pointerevents-minutes.html> and copied below.
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-pointer-events mail list before December 18 - the
date of the next call. In the absence of any changes, these minutes will
be considered approved.
Thanks to Jacob for Scribing this meeting.
-ArtB
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Pointer Events Working Group Teleconference
11 Dec 2012
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/11-pointerevents-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.770.402.aaaa, [Microsoft], Doug_Schepers,
+1.717.578.aabb, scott_gonzalez, jrossi, rbyers,
Olli_Pettay, jrossi2
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
jrossi2
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda Bashing
2. [5]Bug 20219
3. [6]bug 20281
4. [7]20311 Clarify touch-action is only looked at during
pointerdown
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 11 December 2012
<smaug> uh
<smaug> oops
<smaug> in a minute
<scribe> scribeNick:jrossi2
Agenda Bashing
<smaug> Zakim: nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
<shepazu>
[9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/20
12OctDec/0106.html
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2012OctDec/0106.html
Bug 20219
[10]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20219
[10] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20219
<shepazu> Issue-20219?
<trackbot> ISSUE-20219 does not exist
<smaug>
[11]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20219
[11] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20219
jrossi: 2 issues, one is should the pointerType be a string
instead of constants?
... for this, allows cleaner syntax
... pointerType=="touch"
... as opposed to event.pointerType==event.POINTER_TYPE_TOUCH
... but main reason is extensibility
jrossi2: what's the right spec text for UA extensibility?
... e.g. a UA supports a pointing device that's not touch, pen,
mosue
rbyers: is there a precedent for defining extensibility?
jrossi2: D3Events says prefix events
shepazu: a bit of advice is at least useful, but let's save the
conversation for the list
rbyers: if D3Events has existing text, just lean on that
1) should be a string
shepazu: separate into 2 issues
<smaug>
[12]http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-xmlhttprequest
[12] http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-xmlhttprequest
smaug: lately, specs have been using string enums
jrossi: yeah, there's an element to this that's current spec
convention
shepazu: proposed resolution to part 1 of the issue, I propose
it be a string
rbyers: answer is clearly a string
RESOLUTION: Change pointerType property to String
shepazu: second issue, rather than discuss, let's save it for
the list
jrossi: sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: jrossi to send proposal for extensible text to
list [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act
ion01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find jrossi. You can review and
register nicknames at
<[14]http://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/users>.
[14] http://www.w3.org/2012/pointerevents/track/users%3E.
smaug: one clarification, should be enumerated string
possibilities in spec that UAs can add to if they want
rbyers: agree, that provides best clarity
jrossi2: agreed
<rbyers_> smaug pointed to this specific example:
[15]http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-xmlhttprequest
[15] http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#interface-xmlhttprequest
jrossi2: well, i'd want to let authors create synthetic event's
with arbitrary string for pointerType
... for polyfils
smaug: then it probably needs to just be a plain string
jrossi2: how about a table that just says normative values for
touch, pen, mouse?
rbyers: that seems fine
smaug: yes
bug 20281
[16]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20218
[16] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20218
jrossi: this is practically a bug
<shepazu> "Contact geometry should be in CSS pixels not device
pixels"
<rbyers_> This summary of different co-ordinate spaces may be
helpful for discussion:
[17]http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/ScalesAndZooms
[17] http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/ScalesAndZooms
jrossi: suggest this be in document pixels
rbyers: definitely not device pixels, not sure about zoom
... logical pixels, devicePixels * devicePixelRatio
jrossi: there's 2 use cases
... 1- knowing how big the finger is
jrossi2: 2- seeing how the element compares to the layout of
the page
rbyers: 2 seems the most likely
jrossi2: IE10 provides zoom factor, which would allow
conversion
jrossi: agree 2 is most common
... proposed resolution is to make width/height be CSS document
pixels, adjusted for zoom
shepazu: talked about issue of transforms in D3Events
... authors get back odd coord sys
jrossi2: yes, but I think optical zoom isn't as much as of
problem because the elements don't actually change coord sys
rbyers: is this going to be a compat issue?
jrossi2: concerned in general about dramatically changing
things, but not too much for this particular property
<smaug> (walled gardens shouldn't be considered when designing
APIs for the Web. But of course it is better to try to achieve
compatibility with all the systems.)
jrossi: proposed resolution is to make width/height be CSS
document pixels, adjusted for zoom
<rbyers_> agreed
<asir> looks right
RESOLUTION: make width/height be CSS document pixels, adjusted
for zoom
20311 Clarify touch-action is only looked at during pointerdown
jrossi: need to clarify this so that implementations can
implement multi-threaded scrolling
rbyers: agree, we should clarify
jrossi: proposed change is that touch-action is checked prior
to firing pointerdown and then that value is used for the
lifetime of that pointer
<rbyers_> agreed
RESOLUTION: clarify touch-action is checked prior to firing
pointerdown and then that value is used for the lifetime of
that pointer
<smaug> hmm
<smaug> back
<asir> the bridge dropped me
<asir> and am unable to dial back in
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jrossi to send proposal for extensible text to
list [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2012/12/11-pointerevents-minutes.html#act
ion01]
[End of minutes]
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