- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:07:04 +0200
- To: Víctor Rodríguez Doncel <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es>
- Cc: W3C POE WG <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
> On 31 Mar 2017, at 09:00, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel <vrodriguez@fi.upm.es> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I see we cannot set a call with more than two participants. > Shall we start speak speaking in a first call Simon and I and then in a second call with Ivan? > Ivan when are you available? > Go ahead without me. I will not be available until the 11th, and there is no reason to wait for me. I can always comment on the outcome using the usual channels… Ivan > Víctor > > > El 27/03/2017 a las 18:32, Víctor Rodríguez Doncel escribió: >> Dear all, >> >> I have created a doodle poll to see when can we meet to discuss the scope and ambition of the formal semantics note. Link: >> https://beta.doodle.com/poll/ricy6h4iha3b5s4z >> >> I have set a fixed time (12.30 GMT) and several different days trying to concile the different constraints you have emailed already. >> >> Regards, >> Víctor >> >> >> El 27/03/2017 a las 15:35, Phil Archer escribió: >>> As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are at https://www.w3.org/2017/03/27-poe-minutes with a text snapshot below. Thanks Michael for scribing. >>> >>> Main topic today was Sabrina's new use case of modelling the GDPR using a profile of ODRL. >>> >>> >>> Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference >>> >>> 27 March 2017 >>> >>> [2]Agenda [3]IRC log >>> >>> [2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170327 >>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/03/27-poe-irc >>> >>> Attendees >>> >>> Present >>> benws, benws110, ivan, michaelS, phila, renato, Sabrina, >>> Serena, smyles, victor >>> >>> Regrets >>> Brian, Caroline, Simon >>> >>> Chair >>> Ben >>> >>> Scribe >>> michaelS >>> >>> Contents >>> >>> * [4]Meeting Minutes >>> 1. [5]Last week's minutes >>> 2. [6]New Use Case >>> 3. [7]Deliverables >>> 4. [8]best practices >>> 5. [9]open Actions >>> 6. [10]London F2F >>> * [11]Summary of Action Items >>> * [12]Summary of Resolutions >>> >>> Meeting Minutes >>> >>> <benws110> nick benws >>> >>> <victor> hi all >>> >>> <renato> hi victor >>> >>> scribe michaelS >>> >>> Last week's minutes >>> >>> benws: anybody want to raise an issue with last week's minutes >>> >>> <phila> [NOTUC] >>> >>> <phila> [13]Last week's minutes >>> >>> [13] https://www.w3.org/2017/03/20-poe-minutes.html >>> >>> Resolved: last week's minutes approved >>> >>> <renato> [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/ >>> Use_Cases#POE.UC.37_Representing_regulations_using_ODRL >>> >>> [14] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#POE.UC.37_Representing_regulations_using_ODRL >>> >>> New Use Case >>> >>> Sabrina: introduced the Use Case >>> … it models the EU General Data Protection Regulation >>> … it needs to cover that at a generic level but also in details >>> … Article 12 added as an example >>> … this article shows the important use of references to other >>> articles >>> … the numbering of the articles has at least two levels >>> >>> benws: any comments on that so far? >>> >>> benws: does this requirement belong to a profile or to the >>> general ODRL model? >>> >>> Sabrina: this is a decision by this group >>> >>> renato: what does "refer to another article" mean? >>> >>> Sabrina: that are dependencies - look at Article 12. This may >>> transform to many duties. >>> … to check if Article 12 is fullfilled the fulfillment of other >>> articles is required >>> >>> phila: GDPR is very important it would be a big PR win if ODRL >>> could show that it can cover it. >>> … key question: is ODRL is a good tool for that purpose. >>> Sabrina do you feel that? >>> >>> Sabrina: ODRL is not a bad fit. We need to specify obligations >>> and constraints >>> … There is work on taxonomies by other parties but less >>> fitting. >>> >>> renato: we could promote this as a profile. This would serve to >>> explain how to create a profile >>> … and this profile could be shown to a wide audience. >>> … the relationships between the constraints and duties is >>> demandingö >>> >>> Sabrina: we have dependencies between the duties, we have >>> constraints on duties, actions and parties >>> … supported to create a profile for that. >>> >>> benws: to show that we could express regulations and licences >>> by the same language would be fine >>> >>> phil >>> >>> phila: supported using ODRL for this purpose >>> >>> Sabrina: we are basically defining obligiations = duties = >>> complying with the regulations >>> … if we run into problems we will come back to this group >>> … when it comes to constraints: there are discretational ones >>> >>> smyles: suggested to model optional constraints as permissions >>> >>> Sabrina: that's not exactly the intention of the GDPR >>> … there are statements like a recommendation - and we don't >>> want to omit them >>> >>> renato: is thinking what this could look like in code: >>> leftOperand say you may or may not use an icon >>> >>> Sabrina: need for a discretional constraint: it would be good >>> to meet this constraint but it doesn't stop the policy >>> … if it is not met >>> >>> Sabrina: for her and Simon some constraints a bit fuzzy, needs >>> deeper reviews >>> >>> smyles: we may add a concept of recommendation = if you can, >>> you should do that >>> … there could be levels of recommendation: strongly recommended >>> ... and more >>> >>> Sabrina: will review this suggestion >>> >>> <renato> [15]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 >>> >>> [15] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2119 >>> >>> <phila> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", >>> "SHALL >>> >>> <phila> NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and >>> >>> <phila> "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as >>> described in >>> >>> <phila> RFC 2119. >>> >>> phila: RFC2119 is a standard specifying things like that - >>> could help >>> >>> Sabrina: Dispensation = something is required, but there is a >>> dispensation under specific condiditions. >>> … and some articles say "you are not allowed" others say >>> "unless party X allows that" >>> >>> <victor> Dispensation: a : an exemption from a law or from an >>> impediment, vow, or oath may be granted a dispensation from the >>> rule b : a formal authorization requested a dispensation to >>> form another lodge >>> >>> Sabrina: in fact: an exception on an exception >>> … may also be used >>> >>> renato: went over some more details of transforming DGPR into >>> ODRL >>> >>> victor: thinks like that can be expressed by ODRL. >>> >>> Sabrina: we are looking not only at GDPR but also legal >>> regulations in general - is the existing ODRL data model work >>> for us >>> >>> benws: what are "features" >>> >>> victor: we could think about synonyms for hardwired constraints >>> >>> Sabrina: two more things: "Feature" = article 12 has various >>> obligations, some are well defined, some don't stand on their >>> own. >>> … we are looking at conjunctions and disjunctions in this >>> context >>> … transparency is the conjunction of all of them - we call them >>> Features at the moment >>> >>> Sabrina: we need additional constraints on the asset - they >>> will span across multiple duties >>> >>> renato: ODRL scope could work >>> >>> Sabrina: agreed >>> … we have an issue with the type of processing - e.g. how >>> personal data may be used for marketing >>> >>> smyles: the purpose is to define the nature of a party - right? >>> >>> Sabrina: yes, depending on who you are rules may apply >>> >>> smyles: why not to split up in constraints for group A and >>> group B of persons >>> >>> smyles: wondered if inheritance could be used >>> >>> Sabrina: the controllers for different purposes are different >>> … we look at what's there and then will come back to this group >>> … the Wiki space could be used for discussions >>> >>> benws: timeline? >>> >>> Sabrina: there are different groups of work: e.g. transforming >>> the article and the sub-points - but that's not very usable. >>> … in a next step obligations have to be pulled out of the >>> articles - and that's a big work, will take months. >>> >>> benws: does this timeline align with the ODRL timeline? >>> >>> Sabrina: yes. >>> >>> renato: do we need a new policy type "regulation"? >>> >>> Sabrina: yes >>> >>> benws: supported to use Wikipages for working on the >>> transformation >>> >>> Deliverables >>> >>> <renato> [16]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>> >>> [16] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>> >>> renato: went over [17]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/ >>> Deliverables >>> >>> [17] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Deliverables >>> >>> <renato> [18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ >>> public-poe-comments/2017Mar/0012.html >>> >>> [18] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poe-comments/2017Mar/0012.html >>> >>> renato: we got a reply from EDRLabs >>> >>> <renato> [19]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/118 >>> >>> [19] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/118 >>> >>> renato: raised some concerns regarding periods >>> … this needs an update of the definitions of date/time and >>> period constraints >>> >>> renato: re Horizontal reviews: >>> … any news from Brian? >>> >>> benws: has sent a reminder >>> >>> renato: reviews seem to be on track >>> >>> benws: refered to a proposoal of Victor to hold a special >>> meeting >>> … = a call >>> >>> benws: asked Victor to launch a Doodgle survey for finding date >>> and time >>> >>> best practices >>> >>> benws: tried to reach out to James from Catapult, but the email >>> did not work >>> >>> open Actions >>> >>> benws: only 3 on the issue tracker >>> >>> <phila> s/RESOLVED: last week's minutes approved// >>> >>> <renato> [20]https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/114 >>> >>> [20] https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/114 >>> >>> London F2F >>> >>> benws: open issue is providing hotel rooms at TR rates - but >>> Sabrina may have an alternative >>> >>> victor: would appreciate to have times for the agenda items >>> >>> bens: starting time 10am - ok? >>> >>> renato: agenda will be based on requests from group members and >>> currently ongoing work >>> >>> <ivan> will there be possibiltiies for dial in? >>> >>> benws: suggested 5:30pm as closing time >>> >>> <ivan> thanks >>> >>> benws: it will be possible to dial in too >>> >>> benws: AOB? >>> >>> benws: none was raised - bye >>> >>> Summary of Action Items >>> >>> Summary of Resolutions >>> >>> 1. [21]last week's minutes approved >>> >> >> > > > -- > Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel > D3205 - Ontology Engineering Group (OEG) > Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial > ETS de Ingenieros Informáticos > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > > Campus de Montegancedo s/n > Boadilla del Monte-28660 Madrid, Spain > Tel. (+34) 91336 3753 > Skype: vroddon3 > > ---- Ivan Herman, W3C Publishing@W3C Technical Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ mobile: +31-641044153 ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704
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