- From: Jo Rabin <jo@copyrighthub.org>
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 16:58:57 +0000
- To: "public-poe-wg@w3.org" <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
[No substitute for the one and only Phil Archer, but for this time only I stand in for him]
The minutes of today's POE WG are to be found at https://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes.html and are included as text below; with thanks to Serena for scribing.
Jo
- DRAFT -
Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
09 May 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160509
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-irc
Attendees
Present
renato, jo, simonstey, michaelS, Serena, mmcrober,
smyles, benws, victor, brian
Regrets
PhilA, Ivan, caroline
Chair
Renato
Scribe
serena
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]name of specification
2. [6]deliverable workplan
3. [7]use cases
4. [8]any other business
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<renato> Scribe list:
[11]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Scribes
[11] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Scribes
<simonstey> list participants
scribe Serena
<jo> scribe: serena
thanks jo
Renato: Welcome to Brian (Thompson Reuters)
... we hava to approve the minutes of the last meeting
<renato> [12]https://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes
[12] https://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes
RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
<mmcrober> +1
<benws> +1
<smyles> +1
+1
<michaelS> +1
<victor> +1
Renato: editors for documents have to be confirmed
: for the information model, we propose myself and Serena as
editors
Renato: for the vocabulary spec, we propose myself, mmcrober,
and James
thanks Jo ;-)
<michaelS> do we have the names of the Vocabl doc?
scribe: comments from the group on these two specs
renato: consensus on having two deliverables
... did you want to revisit that?
mmcrober: yes, from memory we have reasonable arguments from
both side
renato: we didn't make a decision
mmcrober: high level diagram to point to the model
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to note that formally we need resultions
of editors
renato: any other comments?
jo: raise an issue on having a single spec or not
<simonstey> issue-2
<trackbot> issue-2 -- Use Cases -- open
<trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/2
[13] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/2
<simonstey> issue-1
<trackbot> issue-1 -- The number of times we need to refer to
the target -- closed
<trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/1
[14] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/1
<simonstey> issue-3
<trackbot> issue-3 -- Deliverables Work Plan -- open
<trackbot> [15]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/3
[15] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/3
<renato> ACTION: renato add issues related to moving to one
spec [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes.html#action01]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Add issues related to moving to
one spec [on Renato Iannella - due 2016-05-16].
RESOLUTION: editors for the Info Model ; Renato and Serena
<simonstey> +q
<simonstey> -q
<victor> +q
<mmcrober> +1
<smyles> +1
<michaelS> +1
+1
victor: I'd like to join the work on the ontology
renato: we can keep you as the first reserve
<renato> PROPOSED: editors for the Vocab Expression: Renato,
Michael, Mo, Stuart, James
<simonstey> +1
+1
<smyles> +1
<michaelS> +1
<benws> +1
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to make reference to mmcrober's point
acj jo
jo: five editors is potentially a lot
renato: different skills from the individuals
... everyone contributes and will be acknowledged appropriately
<mmcrober> +1
<smyles> +1
+1
RESOLUTION: editors for the Vocab Expression: Renato, Michael,
Mo, Stuart, James
renato: item 2 on the agenda
... named of the specification
name of specification
renato: the issue is that the new spec will be called ODRL
information model
mmcrober: we need a pretty strong case to change the name
... there is no rule stating that the name of the spec directly
the name of the group creating the spec
... in favor of keeping odrl
<simonstey> +q
renato: any comments?
simonstey: where does the O in ODRL came from?
renato: there was another language for patterns and it was not
open, the competitor was not open to emphasize ODRL was open
<benws> +q
renato: we added the O
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to note that phila said there are
specific sensitivities regarding name
<smyles> agree with mmcrober
jo: I suggest that what we do is that the name is ODRL for now
<smyles> open digital riot language?
renato: the issue is DMR is an issue for W3C, the big issue is
the R = rights. What we did is in ODRL 2.0 there is not the
word right in the spec. We used policy.
... ODRL stands for ODRL
<jo> PROPOSAL: The standard is known as ODRL, for historical
reasons, there is not specific meaning attached to any of the
letters
<mmcrober> +1
<smyles> GNU
RESOLUTION: We will use the name ODRL for our devliverables
<michaelS> +1
<smyles> we have two RESOLUTIONs
<benws> -1
<smyles> oh wait - one PROPOSAL, one RESOLUTION and no vote?
<simonstey> -1
RESOLUTION: last resolution is revoked
deliverable workplan
renato: first public working draft as a slight modification of
ODRL one
mmcrober: from the last session, we have a discussion about
having the voc RDF centric
... or not. The ontology doc is generated with RDF with html
template. In transitioning, do we maintain our process?
renato: good point, the mechanics of the spec have to be
considered too. We just need to look at how the process works.
Editors have to sit down and discuss it.
benws: clarification: it makes perfect sense to have an
RDF-centric approach, but if we want to move on we need to go
for jason first
... people reading the spec will be jason minded
smyles: jason is not a great language for modeling
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to agree with and amplify benws's point
<simonstey> I would suggest to use some javascript magic as in
[17]https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-primer/
[17] https://www.w3.org/TR/owl2-primer/
<simonstey> to switch between the different encodings
smyles: json is not generated from RDF. We can't commit to
preserve any encodings. We ended up to: guidelines for any kind
of implementation.
renato: we would try to use our ontology to generate the voc
spec
... there will be the xml, the json, the json-ld
<benws> +1
renato: we need to express that in the narratives of the doc
... fist working draft will be the starting point
s first/first
scribe: editors look at the doc and decide the issues to be
discussed
use cases
michaelS: a number of use cases have been written, I've been
reading them, requirements should be extracted from the use
cases, I've shared the questions with the persons editing them
on the wiki
... the requirements should be clear, measurable, testable
... on GitHub we have the editors draft
... group requirements, refinement
renato: back to the editing, benws and simonstey will join
michaelS in editing the use cases document
<renato> PROPOSAL: Ben and Simon will also be editors on the
UCR NOTE
<simonstey> +1
+1
<benws> +1
<smyles> +1
<mmcrober> +1
RESOLUTION: Ben and Simon will also be editors on the UCR NOTE
RESOLUTION: Ben and Simon will also be editors on the UCR NOTE
renato: we're also looking to the other deliverables which is
formal semantics, we're contacting people to take care of it.
<simonstey> +q
michaelS: the issue is how to share, in the description there
are also requirements, should we extract the requirements from
the description or do we ask the authors?
simonstey: we encouraged the authors to extract the
requirements, the editors have the power to extract new
requirements
... raise an issue if you're not convinced it's a requirement
... the WG has to say this is truly a requirement
any other business
renato: F2F meeting in Lisbon - TPAC
... add your name to the list of attendees if you plan to go
... final final business?
michaelS: next monday is holidays
<jo> straw poll?
<jo> PROPOSAL: no meeting next week
renato: meeting next week
<victor> It is day off in Spain. I might make an effort to
attend.
<simonstey> 0
<jo> 0
<renato> 0
<mmcrober> 0
<magyarblip> 0
+1
<benws> -1
<smyles> 0
<michaelS> +1
RESOLUTION: The meeting will take place on 16th May
benws: we will loose a lot of meetings if we follow back
holidays on each countries
<jo> [meeting closed]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: renato add issues related to moving to one spec
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes.html#action01]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/09-poe-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [19]Accept last week's minutes
2. [20]editors for the Info Model ; Renato and Serena
3. [21]editors for the Vocab Expression: Renato, Michael, Mo,
Stuart, James
4. [22]We will use the name ODRL for our devliverables
5. [23]last resolution is revoked
6. [24]Ben and Simon will also be editors on the UCR NOTE
7. [25]Ben and Simon will also be editors on the UCR NOTE
8. [26]The meeting will take place on 16th May
[End of minutes]
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