- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:08:59 +0100
- To: W3C POE WG <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
The minutes from today's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-minutes.
Thanks to Victor for scribing this week.
Text version below...
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
13 Jun 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160613
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-irc
Attendees
Present
renato, phila, benws, Sabrina, Jo, Simon, James, Mo,
Patrick, Brian, Sabrina, Serena
Regrets
michael, caroline
Chair
renato
Scribe
victor
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Approve last meeting minutes
2. [6]Spec Name proposal
3. [7]Use cases
4. [8]Use Case Update
5. [9]WG Tracker
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
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Approve last meeting minutes
<phila> [12]https://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-poe-minutes
[12] https://www.w3.org/2016/06/06-poe-minutes
(thank)
RESOLUTION: Last week's minutes approved
RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes
Spec Name proposal
RESOLUTION: this topic is postposed until the next week
Use cases
Use Case Update
benws2: Should we discuss the requirements one by one?
... I want to discuss the requirements derived from my
contribution, on Complex Constraints (constraints on
constraints)
<renato> [13]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements
[13] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements
<simonstey> 1.3.18
<simonstey> 1.3.1.8
benws2: I am not clear if the 1.3.8 is a new Requirement or
not.
<simonstey> +q
renato: As it is formulated, this is to vague as to be a
Requirement.
<mmcrober> it's not actually a prohibition, it's a constrained
grant, I think
renato: "Express complex constraints such as 'No use in UK
after 7 days' " is the conjunction of two constraints.
simonstey: The boolean operators OR/AND were already described
in a nonnormative section of ODRL2.1
renato: They were named as "extended relations", perhaps being
the same as "complex constraint".
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Booleans and rules
<mmcrober> renato: "no use in the UK or after 7 days" you could
actually do (geographical prohibition + temporally-limited
usage grant), but something more complex could be harder
<simonstey>
[14]https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/model/2.1/#section-5 ->
4.1 extended relations
[14] https://www.w3.org/community/odrl/model/2.1/#section-5
phila: Please do note that we are not defining a rule language,
as stated in the charter.
ivan: I disagree with Phil. Having a requirement based on a Use
Case is perfectly useful and good to have. At the end of the
discussions, we can say certain Requirements will not be
satisfied. But they can be material for a later work.
<mmcrober> ivan: +1
<simonstey> +q
simonstey: we should keep the requirements we can all agree on,
and we should discuss more on them.
ISSUE: Should requirements be limited to those that we plan to
fulfill?
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-8 - Should requirements be limited to
those that we plan to fulfill?. Please complete additional
details at
<[15]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/8/edit>.
[15] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/8/edit
<simonstey>
[16]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Temporal_Cons
traint
[16] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Temporal_Constraint
benws2: I would like to discuss the next requiremen t1.3.2.11,
temporal constraints
[17]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Temporal_Cons
traint
[17] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Temporal_Constraint
<mmcrober> renato - does the ODRL interpretation of
xsd:dateTime agree with XSD's?
renato: there is a term to talk about a recurringly occuring
event
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about time
renato: Example: "Set a temporal constraint (ex. after some
date) for the exercise of the object of the odrl:action
predicate" --> the problem with the example is about "when does
the embargo start?"
<phila> [18]OWL Time update (Editor's draft)
[18] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/time/
what about existing, older ontologies like
[19]https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time/ ?
[19] https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time/
<simonstey>
[20]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Reference_to_
Source_License
[20]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Reference_to_Source_License
victor: I do note that other time ontologies exist
<simonstey> +q
(thanks phila!)
renato: Regarding the requirement
[21]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Reference_to_
Source_License , at the moment ODRL can relate to a license but
not link
[21]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Reference_to_Source_License
<mmcrober> +q
simonstey: policy may inherit from asset
(I made an error. learning how to correct it...)
benws2: this might be a different problem for each of the
serializations
simonstey: this is more of a semantic relation
<simonstey>
[22]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_R
ights_Assignments_through_Aggregation_and_Derivation
[22]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_Rights_Assignments_through_Aggregation_and_Derivation
benws2: The next requirement i want to discuss is 1.3.4.5
[23]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_R
ights_Assignments_through_Aggregation_and_Derivation
... derivations and aggregations of datasets are very common,
and I would like to have automatically a compliant policy for
the derivative resource
[23]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_Rights_Assignments_through_Aggregation_and_Derivation
<simonstey> +q
renato: there should be a "good practices" document
<simonstey> -q
<Sabrina> +1 for best practices guide
renato: the section on processing rules is actually about
having best practices
<simonstey> +q
benws2: In this particular point, I would like to check with a
lawyer that this is the right thing to do. If you aggregate two
datasets you can automatically create a license including the
previous permissions. This is obvious for me, as a computer
scientist, but should be checked with a lawyer.
<Zakim> jo, you wanted to witter on about tools
jo: best practices are related to particular tasks
benws2: actual adopters of ODRL will have specific problems
they would like to have guidance in.
simonstey: An ODRL primer can fulfill this need for guidance.
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about a test suite as
complement to Primer
<jo> One should have a view as to what kinds of tools could or
should be developed to carry out tasks related to ODRL and this
informs the nature of BEst Practice statements
phila: atomic elements of licenses have been mapped into
digital expressions. this can be arguable, but stating the
provenance, the problem vanishes: "Lawyer X says that...."
... primer and testsuite are all the same if perceived as
elements towards granting conformance
benws2: Next requirement to be discussed is 1.3.4.6
<phila>
[24]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_S
pecifying_Subsets
[24]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_Specifying_Subsets
benws2: I want to express "This policy applies to all the
members of this collection, or "to the results of this query"".
This is the sense of the requirement
([25]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_
Specifying_Subsets)
[25]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements#Guidance_on_Specifying_Subsets)
james: there is another similar requirement
benws2: we have to make sure that the same requirement, if
coming from different UCs, is not repeated
simonstey: some requirements are still pending to be processed.
and yes, some are overlapping, so not many new requirements are
to be expected.
renato: requirements should be sorted and categorized by the
next call
... message to all participants: please help inasmuch as needed
in this task
<scribe> ACTION: Use Case editors to integrate the
contributions [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-minutes.html#action01]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Use'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[27]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/users>.
[27] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/users
WG Tracker
<renato>
[28]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/pendingreview
[28] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/pendingreview
<phila> action-11
<trackbot> action-11 -- Stuart Myles to Add a template use case
-- due 2016-05-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [29]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/11
[29] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/11
<phila> close action-11
<trackbot> Closed action-11.
<renato> [30]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/open
[30] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/open
renato: there were open actions for mo, ben and phila
<mmcrober> close action-1
<trackbot> Closed action-1.
<phila> close action-1
<trackbot> Closed action-1.
mo: my action has been done.
phila: I expect to get feedback from bigdataeurope
... regrets for the next week
<renato> [31]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
[31] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to raise an AOB just before we close
renato: four issues had already been raised
[32]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
[32] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
<phila> [33]SDS Voc
[33] https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/
phila: I announce a Workshop in Amsterdam on 30/11/2016
[34]https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/ , on content
negotiation: we will be able to specify "I want ODRL2.1 in
JSON, or in XML, or in RDF"
... I am open to receive candidates to become PC members.
[34] https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/
renato: remember TPAC, where a f2f meeting will be held
<james> thanks
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Use Case editors to integrate the contributions
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-minutes.html#action01]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/13-poe-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [36]Last week's minutes approved
2. [37]Accept last week's minutes
3. [38]this topic is postposed until the next week
[End of minutes]
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