- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:05:38 +0100
- To: W3C POE WG <public-poe-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/08/22-poe-minutes with the text snapshot below.
Thanks to Michael for taking care of most of my scribing duty.
Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
22 Aug 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160822
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/22-poe-irc
Attendees
Present
renato, phila, Serena, michaelS, sabrina, CarolineB
Regrets
James, Ben, Victor
Chair
renato
Scribe
michaelS, phila
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]UCR
2. [6]UC.03
3. [7]UC.06
4. [8]UC.08
5. [9]Actual Requirements
6. [10]Issues and Actions
7. [11]AOB
* [12]Summary of Action Items
* [13]Summary of Resolutions
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<renato> Scribe volunteers:
[14]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Scribes
[14] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Scribes
<phila> scribe: michaelS
<phila> scribeNick: michaelS
TOPIC minutes last call - 8 August 2016
<renato> approve minutes: last meeting minutes
<renato> [15]https://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-poe-minutes
[15] https://www.w3.org/2016/08/08-poe-minutes
<phila> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribeNick: phila
+0 (not present
RESOLUTION: Minutes of 8 August arrpoved
UCR
renato: We've been going through these for the last few weeks
and trying to work out what the reqs would be from them.
... There are 4 sets of UCs left
... One from Mo, 3 from phila, one from James
... Only Phil is here so we need to talk about those
<Brian_Ulicny> Has the Webex info changed? I can't log in.
<michaelS> scribe: michaelS
<renato> UC.03
<renato> [16]https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#embargoedDataset
[16] https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#embargoedDataset
UC.03
<Brian_Ulicny> Says meeting is canceled on Webex using old
link.
phila: outlined the use case
<renato> Brian...click on link from here:
[17]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160822
[17] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160822
phila: I publish my data now and make it available under a new
policy a specific period later
<renato> [18]https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#relTimeConstraint
[18] https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#relTimeConstraint
phila: the dates are relative dates, relative to the date of a
first publishing
<simonstey> +q
smyles: will the data be published now and the future date be
added
p
phila: the future date will be added as an intention, not as
strict statement
<simonstey> -q
smyles: a news embargo is different: the permission to publish
later is added at the time of the initial publication
renato: this may relate to provenence considerations
phila: complex would be: a policy A expires on date 1 and a
second policy B which starts on date 1+1.
<simonstey> +
<simonstey> +q
phila: the first policy should not be stricly related to policy
B
simonstey: feels that can be solved this way: having a time
constraint closing on date 1 and a permission starting on date
1 +1day, all in one policy
... a relative statement could be "the permission B gets active
after constraint X has expired"
<simonstey> primer ;)
phila: sound interesting, will we explain somewhere that this
can be done already with ODRL
... such use cases should be documented somewhere - I need this
for my project
<simonstey> +q
<simonstey> -q
<simonstey> +1 to renato's comment
UC.06
<renato> UC.06 [19]https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#openPhacts
[19] https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#openPhacts
phila: explained the use case
... all what OpenPHACTS does is making the user aware where the
data come from and the source must be made explicit
<simonstey> +q
phila: his concern is about merging policies about different
data sources
<simonstey> -q
phila: any combination should be made clear
<phila> michaelS: Each policy comes with an asset
<phila> ... Do we have something to establish relationships
between assets
<phila> ... as a policy may relate to multiple assets
<phila> renato: We don't have a way of describing those
relationships
<phila> ... they're outside the scope of ODRL at the moment
renato: no, we don't have something for that purpose
smyles: the UC has more to do how we want to merge different
policies
... what are the rules for processing multiple policies
phila: We have to expose what the original asset creators had
defined
... e.g. three sources provide images and they are licensed as
a package.
... and a combined policy is applied to the package
<phila> michaelS: That raises the question of where are the
rules appluies for combining policies?
<phila> ... What Stuart said is how should this be processed on
the receiver says
<phila> ... Phil says there might be a package with a combined
policy.#
<phila> ... I think there should be a set of policies or a
combined policy. If there is a combined one then no more needs
to be said.
<phila> ... the party that creates the combined policy takes
the risk of merging it correctly.
renato: a merged policy may point at the original policies
phila: this is more a provenance issue than a POE issue
sabrina: This reminded her of other use cases: if multiple data
sets are added to a new asset the original policies should be
trackable
<Brian_Ulicny> I agree with Sabrina: provenance and time are
very important for real world permissions.
sabrina: the merged policies should have temporal constraints
and governance data
phila: agreed to Sabrina: these two facets should be discussed,
either clarified or added for ODRL
renato: will keep track of that
UC.08
<renato> [20]https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#atomicLicense
[20] https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/#atomicLicense
phila: Explained the UC in detail
sabrina: Simon and she are working in this area
phila: looks forward to discuss that UC with them on 30
September in Vienna
... hope to get more specific requirements - coming then back
to ODRL
Actual Requirements
renato: No more contributors of UCs are present at this call
yes
<phila> scribe: phila
scribe: Ben was working on this - did he talk to you, Simon?
<simonstey> no /:
<simonstey> but I can take over
michaelS: What was he working on exactly?
renato: We've talked about draft reqs, we've captured a few of
them in the minutes, we want to get the reqs into the wiki
... that misses a lot of the context. We want to document the
requirements in the UCR
... So we can discuss and agree/not on them
michaelS: So the wiki requirements is the initial target
renato: Yes, not the ED just yet
michaelS: I've checked, this doc hasn't changed since 23 June
renato: So we can maybe go back and look for these
... What I'll do then is go through tle most recent meetins and
note the discussion and note the consensus on what the reqs
were
... Any otehr commnets on use cases and requirements?
[None]
Issues and Actions
renato: No new ones recently
phila: Have his reasons for not being able to complete
action-12
close action-12
<trackbot> Closed action-12.
sabrina: I spoke to Ben last week and the end result is that
I'll be at TPAC
renato: Any change needed to UC 12?
sabrina: No, I think it's all about the provenance aspect we
were talking about earlier
... So I think TPAC is the place for this, So we can close that
action
close action-21
<trackbot> Closed action-21.
AOB
renato: We have a draft agenda for TPAC
<renato> TPAC agenda
<renato> [21]https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:TPAC2016
[21] https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:TPAC2016
renato: Any comments on that?
... We have prov on the agenda coming from today.
... BAsic plan is to go through the requirements on day 1
... So clear underdstanding about changes to be made
... And any other new work that we haven't covered yet?
... Things like formal semantics, primer, common licneces
... And then Friday more about actual design choices.
... So that's the rough break down
... Also note that the Digital Publishing IG wants to join us
on Friday to present their use cases.
... Includes news from BSIG
... I'm giving a talk to them on Tuesday on POE
... Might get some new UCs from that
phila: It's only 4 weeks ...
... When might there be noew publications after TPAC?
michaelS: Next milestone is LCCR in April
phila: That means you're finished :-)
renato: If we leave Lisbon with clarity then...
... 2 months for the first iteration of changes
... so end Nov
phila: Then with another iteration in, say Feb, that gets you
to LCCR in April
renato: If no more commnets on TPAC - any other OB?
[None]
renato: So we'll close the meeting there
... Thanks everyone
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [22]Minutes of 8 August arrpoved
[End of minutes]
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