Re: Chairing Announcement + A Request

Hello everyone,

We are so sad for Dave's release but we hope he will come back anytime.

+1 for Echidna


Thanks
Shinya




2023年10月10日(火) 3:11 <matt.garrish@gmail.com>:

> Echidna is a W3C tool for automatically publishing new versions of the
> specifications and notes using github actions (e.g., when we merge pull
> requests in github). During the development of epub 3.3, we switched to
> this process to avoid the time and energy involved in manually
> re-publishing the documents (e.g., deciding when to republish, get a call
> for consensus, manually exporting a snapshot, publishing the snapshot to
> TR).
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> Since then, we’ve turned off the automatic publishing of the
> specifications as it doesn’t work well for republishing recommendations.
> For those, we’re going the manual route of letting changes build up for a
> while before publishing a revised standard. But we’re still using echidna
> for notes, as there’s no need to manually re-publish them when we’ve
> already approved the pull requests.
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> The issue is that W3C process requires us to approve this automated
> workflow for all our specifications and notes and we don’t have that
> resolution. So, for example, we can’t use an echnida workflow right now
> with the recently published exemption property note until we get this
> process approved generally for all our work.
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> Echidna doesn’t change the way that specifications and notes are
> formatted. That is controlled by respec – a javascript program that runs
> in/on the documents and is called by echidna as part of generating the
> static documents.
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> If you’re really interested, the yml configuration files that are read by
> echnida are stored here:
> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/tree/main/.github/workflows
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> You can also view the result of echidna runs in the Actions tab by
> clicking on the various “CI” workflows:
> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/actions
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> (I’m sure Ivan will correct me if I’ve got anything wrong here… :)
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> Matt
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> *From:* Dale Rogers <dalerrogers@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2023 1:19 PM
> *To:* Laurent Le Meur <laurent@edrlab.org>; public-pm-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Chairing Announcement + A Request
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> I agree with Laurent. The information on Echidna is sparse. I also
> Googled. What I gathered from my initial reading:
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> TR (Technical Report) documents need to be in a specific format. Echidna
> is an open GITHUB JavaScript-based project that is designed to pull
> resources from a GITHUB account and put those documents in the proper
> format for TR documents. Since I do not work with TR documents, I am
> assuming this project is being designed by folks that need this
> functionality. I defer to them. If it wasn’t needed, the project would not
> exist.
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> As an aspiring fixed-format author (I’m working on my first book now), I
> know that it would be better to create once, publish easily across multiple
> platforms (Amazon/Comixology, Ingram, Kobo, etc). Since Amazon/Comixology
> is a popular platform for comic, graphic novel delivery, can I assume that
> they are engaging with us to make the publishing process more
> cross-platform? Is there a resource that explains the history and
> background of this need, what currently exists, the challenges we are
> facing, and what is being asked for? Basically, I’d love to be brought up
> to speed to I can be a better WG member.
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> Best Regards,
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> Dale
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> *Dale R Rogers, M.Ed, CIW*
> *Digital Creative EntrepreneurAuthor, eLearning Developer*
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> Personal: dale@dalerogers.me
> Web: dalerogers.me
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> *From: *Laurent Le Meur <laurent@edrlab.org>
> *Date: *Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:47 AM
> *To: *public-pm-wg@w3.org <public-pm-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Chairing Announcement + A Request
>
> "Dave Cramer has decided to step down as one of the co-chairs of this
> working group due to work obligations."
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> It was always interesting to discuss with you Dave, even if we had
> divergence on the topic of Web Publications. The restructuring of the EPUB
> 3 spec was a great & difficult job, bravo to the team who supported that.
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> "we’re still working on getting more information on topics like Webtoons
> for discussion"
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> It will be mandatory to be in touch with the Amazon team, as it seems they
> are triggering this discussion.
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> “Proposed: PMWG will use the echidna publishing system for all documents
> whenever it is appropriate per the W3C Process.”
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> +1 , tooling is useful. A demo of echidna would be useful; I don't have a
> clue about how it works (I Googled it but the info seems scattered).
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> With regards
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> Laurent
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> From: Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 8:47 PM
> To: public-pm-wg@w3.org
>
> Subject: Chairing Announcement + A Request
>
>  Hi everyone,  I hope you are all doing well.  I wanted to share this news
> first before it went out to the W3C mailing lists. Dave Cramer has decided
> to step down as one of the co-chairs of this working group due to work
> obligations. Shinya, Tzviya, and myself will be staying on as your
> co-chairs.  Dave has been essential to the success of EPUB over the years,
> and it must be said that without him, we wouldn’t be where we are today. He
> was integral to publishing EPUB 3.2 and leading the group that brought EPUB
> to W3C, the EPUB CG. He then kindly joined us to publish EPUB 3.3, and we
> could not have done it without him. Please join me in thanking him for his
> service to us over the years as both Editor and Chair.  Just as a reminder,
> we have cancelled tomorrow’s meeting as we’re still working on getting more
> information on topics like Webtoons for discussion.  Lastly, one small
> operational request. We need a formal resolution on the books for
> publishing with Echidna. We use this system to make publishing the
> documents automatically much easier, so please reply to this email with a
> +1, 0, or -1 for this proposal:  Proposed: PMWG will use the echidna
> publishing system for all documents whenever it is appropriate per the W3C
> Process.
>  Cheers,
> Wendy
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>


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