Re: Geolocation Last Call

Absolutely agree about these issues.  "Easy to use" controls are not 
simply about privacy settings for sharing information at a given point 
in time.  It also requires some appreciation of the potential future 
value of the information - something that we are not very good at 
assessing anyway. 

I am an investigator on the PRiMMA project (http://primma.open.ac.uk) at 
the Open University in the UK where we are also looking at some of these 
issues.  I look forward to being a more active participant in this 
discussion going forward.

 - Arosha


Malcolm Crompton wrote:
> I agree, strongly.  The lack of sophistication in thinking around location
> based services & privacy is sometimes breathtaking.  It is neither 'anything
> goes' nor 'never disclose'.  It has to be much more nuanced than that.  A
> person on the lookout for a chance date is in a vastly different position
> from the person who is the secret negotiator going to the secret meeting to
> lock down the multi-million dollar deal.  AND the technology is NEVER going
> to be able to tell the difference, especially because it could in fact be
> the same person at different times in the same day.
>
> And that is before we bring in policing, national security and emergency
> rescue...
>
> Informed, easy to use control with the right default settings (just ask the
> behavioural economists et al) is going to be the only solution.
>
> Regards
>
> Malcolm Crompton
>
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> Information Integrity Solutions Pty Ltd
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-pling-request@w3.org [mailto:public-pling-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of ashok malhotra
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: Renato Iannella
> Cc: public-pling@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Geolocation Last Call
>
> I, too, was worried when I read Section 4.  It punts all the privacy 
> APIs to the implementations.
> All the best, Ashok
>
>
> Renato Iannella wrote:
>   
>> After reading Section 4 of the Working Draft [1], I am more worried 
>> than before.
>>
>> It does not engender any confidence, even by using the term 
>> "consideration", for the safety and awareness of the end user's privacy.
>>
>> Perhaps we now need a PLING Note on "Best Practices for Privacy 
>> Awareness" ?
>>
>>
>> Renato
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API/
>>
>>
>> On 8 Jul 2009, at 23:09, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> No explicit request for review by PLING, but I think it would be fine 
>>> for this IG to tell them that you want to do a review -- if that is 
>>> indeed the case.
>>> --
>>> Thomas Roessler, W3C  <tlr@w3.org <mailto:tlr@w3.org>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> *From: *Angel Machín <angel.machin@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:angel.machin@gmail.com>>
>>>> *Date: *8 July 2009 14:58:29 CEDT
>>>> *To: *janina@rednote.net <mailto:janina@rednote.net>, 
>>>> art.barstow@nokia.com <mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com>, 
>>>> chaals@opera.com <mailto:chaals@opera.com>,  
>>>> Mary_Ellen_Zurko@notesdev.ibm.com 
>>>> <mailto:Mary_Ellen_Zurko@notesdev.ibm.com>, tlr@w3.org 
>>>> <mailto:tlr@w3.org>, dom@w3.org <mailto:dom@w3.org>, dsr@w3.org 
>>>> <mailto:dsr@w3.org>,  chris@w3.org <mailto:chris@w3.org>, 
>>>> daniel.appelquist@vodafone.com 
>>>> <mailto:daniel.appelquist@vodafone.com>,  
>>>> dahl@conversational-technologies.com 
>>>> <mailto:dahl@conversational-technologies.com>, rbarnes@bbn.com 
>>>> <mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com>, acooper@cdt.org <mailto:acooper@cdt.org>,  
>>>> bondi@omtp.org <mailto:bondi@omtp.org>, jferrai@us.ibm.com 
>>>> <mailto:jferrai@us.ibm.com>, Lars Erik Bolstad <lbolstad@opera.com 
>>>> <mailto:lbolstad@opera.com>>,  Matt Womer <mdw@w3.org 
>>>> <mailto:mdw@w3.org>>, chairs@w3.org <mailto:chairs@w3.org>
>>>> *Subject: **Geolocation Last Call*
>>>>
>>>> Hello Chairs,
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of Lars Erik Bolstad, the other co-chair of this WG, and I:
>>>>
>>>> The Geolocation Working Group has published the Geolocation API
>>>> Specification as a Last Call Working Draft on 7 July 2009:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API/
>>>>
>>>> Feedback on this document would be appreciated through 31 July 2009
>>>> via mail to public-geolocation@w3.org 
>>>> <mailto:public-geolocation@w3.org>.
>>>>
>>>> In particular we are requesting review from the Web Application WG,
>>>> Device APIs, Web Security Context, Ubiquitous Web Applications, Mobile
>>>> Web Best Practices, Hypertext Coordination, Protocols and Formats
>>>> Working Group and also GEOPRIV, BONDI and OpenAJAX Alliance.
>>>>
>>>> The Group made the decision to go to Last Call:
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2009Jun/0161.html
>>>>
>>>> No patent disclosures have been made for this specification.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Angel Machin
>>>> Geolocation WG co-Chair
>>>>
>>>>         
>> Cheers...  Renato Iannella
>> NICTA
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

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