Re: Action-1293 Proposal

rowspan/colspan combines cells into single cell, rowcount/colcount is
amount of cells, both presented and missed.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>
wrote:

> Wait, why not use rowspan / colspan? That would be consistent with HTML
> and require less explanation. Does it actually mean anything different than
> rowspan / colspan?
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Alexander Surkov <
> surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I like rowcount/colcount
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Matthew King <mattking@us.ibm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>>
>>> Could these be confusing names? aria-setsize tells the number of items
>>> in the set. Might people think that aria-rowsize is the number of items
>>> (cells or columns) in a row? And that aria-colsize is the number of items
>>> (cells or rows) in a column? Of course, they can read the fine spec... but
>>> they may just be reading code.
>>>
>>> I wonder if aria-rowcount and aria-colcount might be more descriptive?
>>>
>>> Matt King
>>> IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
>>> I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
>>> IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
>>> Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
>>> mattking@us.ibm.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:        Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>>> To:        Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
>>> Cc:        PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
>>> Date:        03/10/2015 08:16 AM
>>> Subject:        Re: Action-1293 Proposal
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, again. I think I have an addition to attributes definition, you
>>> gave, which would make me ok with attributes. Let me share it with you.
>>>
>>> aria-rowindex
>>>
>>> If aria-rowindex attribute value on the item is lesser than previous
>>> item row index then the attribute is ignored. If aria-rowsize attribute
>>> value is lesser then subsequent items number then the attribute is ignored.
>>>
>>> aria-colindex
>>>
>>> Same text as aria-rowindex plus "aria-colindex is ignored on any cell
>>> not belonging to the first presented row".
>>>
>>> Also, I would like more if aria-rsize and aria-csize were renamed to
>>> aria-rowsize and aria-colsize as more descriptive names.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Alexander Surkov <
>>> *surkov.alexander@gmail.com* <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi. I still dislike the definition of aria-colindex
>>>
>>> "Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>>> current set of columns table"
>>>
>>> since it allows to move table cells in the table. You can easily do
>>> sorting:
>>>
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> This statement is incorrect in case of IA2 and ATK
>>>
>>> "This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent."
>>>
>>> because every cell has to have column and row index in these APIs, so if
>>> it's not provided by ARIA then the browser has to calculate it.
>>>
>>> Same concerns are applicable to aria-rowindex property.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <
>>> *schwer@us.ibm.com* <schwer@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>>> for role="row" add aria-rowindex and aria-rsize
>>> for role="cell" and gridcell add aria-colindex, and aria-csize
>>>
>>> *aria-colindex (property)*
>>>
>>> Defines an element's cell or gridcell column number or position in the
>>> current set of columns table, grid, or treegrid. See related aria-csize.
>>>
>>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>>> default value is -1 which means indeterminant.
>>>
>>> The following example shows columns 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>>>
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>>
>>> *aria-rowindex (property)*
>>>
>>> Defines a *element* <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-element>'s
>>> row number or position in the current set of rows table, grid, or treegrid.
>>> It is not required if all row elements in the set are present in the DOM.
>>> See related aria-rsize
>>>
>>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>>> necessary to set this *attribute*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-attribute>, as the *user agent*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-user-agent> can automatically
>>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment,
>>> this *property* <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-property> is
>>> needed to provide an explicit indication of an element's position.
>>>
>>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>>> gridcells in addition to the row it is applied to.
>>>
>>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>>>
>>> <table>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> *aria-csize (property) *
>>>
>>> Defines the number of columns in the current table or grid's set of
>>> columns.
>>>
>>> This *property* <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-property> is
>>> marked on the members of a set, not the container element that collects the
>>> members of the set. To orient the user by saying an element is "item X out
>>> of Y," the *assistive technologies*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-assistive-technologies> would
>>> use X equal to the aria-colindex attribute and aria-csize equal to the
>>> aria-colsize attribute.
>>>
>>> This property is not automatically caldulated by the user agent. The
>>> default value is -1 which means indeterminate.
>>>
>>> The following example shows items 5 through 8 in a set of 16.
>>>
>>> <table role="grid">
>>>   <row>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-csize="16">A</td>
>>>      <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="6" aria-csize="16">B</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="7" aria-csize="16">C</td>
>>>     <td role="gridcell" aria-colindex="8" aria-csize="16">D</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> ...
>>> </table>
>>>
>>>
>>> *aria-rsize (property)*
>>>
>>> Defines the number of rows in the current set of rows within a table,
>>> grid, or treegrid. Not required if all elements in the set are present in
>>> the DOM. See related *aria-posinset*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#aria-posinset>.
>>>
>>> This *property* <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-property> is
>>> marked on rows, or cells or gridcells contained within the containing row.
>>> To orient the user by saying an element is "item X out of Y," the *assistive
>>> technologies*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-assistive-technologies> would
>>> use X equal to the aria-rowindex *attribute*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-attribute> and Y equal to the
>>> aria-rsize attribute.
>>>
>>> If all items in a set are present in the document structure, it is not
>>> necessary to set this property, as the *user agent*
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-user-agent> can automatically
>>> calculate the set size and position for each item. However, if only a
>>> portion of the set is present in the document structure at a given moment
>>> (in order to reduce document size), this property is needed to provide an
>>> explicit indication of set size.
>>>
>>> When applied to an element having a role of "row" the user agent must
>>> expose the proprety to assistive technologies on all descendant cells and
>>> gridcells unless overridden by  applying the property directly to a
>>> descendant cell or gridcell.
>>>
>>> The following example shows rows 3 through 5 in a set of 5.
>>>
>>> <table>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="3" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="4" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>>   <row aria-rowindex="5" aria-rsize="5">
>>>      <td>A</td>
>>>      <td>B</td>
>>>      <td>C</td>
>>>   </row>
>>> </table>
>>>
>>> Note: need to coordinate with Steve Faulkner new native host language
>>> semantics for TD and Table elements.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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