RE: 48-hour Call for Consensus (CfC): Set up moderated public subscription to ARIA working list,

I do not have much of a dog in this fight, but I will add a few observations:

1. I think it's excellent to consolidate the lists.
2. The DPUB IG (and to knowledge, several WGs) used to have moderated but public lists. This is a bit confusing and more than a bit frustrating for those who are not members. As James mentioned, www-style has shifted to an anyone can post policy. I believe Web annotations began this way. DPUB followed suit. I don't know about other groups. It is much easier to maintain, and much easier for posters. The flow of a discussion is truly lost if an email is sent at 5 pm US Pacific Time when the moderator is sleeping in Central European time, and the members of the list have continued the conversation. 
3. it is not hard to work around the list by simply cc-ing the original poster. As long as everyone continues to keep the poster copied, the fact that it's on list or off list is irrelevant. This will either be done intentionally or figured out accidentally when people receive the emails twice.

Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: jcraig@apple.com [mailto:jcraig@apple.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 2:03 PM
To: Janina Sajka
Cc: Michael Cooper; W3C WAI Protocols & Formats
Subject: Re: 48-hour Call for Consensus (CfC): Set up moderated public subscription to ARIA working list,

The entirety of the CSS WG discussions happens on www-style. It’s fully open with members and non-members. 

We’re trying to be inclusive and lower the barrier to entry, aren’t we? 

Just put the list behavior expectations on the join page, or in the join auto-response email.

> On Dec 5, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> 
> James Craig writes:
>> You could also make the list fully open to join and post. Lowest overhead.
>> 
>> Then then only duty is to remove members that engage in disrespectful or unproductive communication.
> But, then there's no record that they've been advised up front of 
> what's expected of them.
> 
> And, what about the RAND that all members agree to when joining. Just 
> blow it off? Not acceptable.
> 
> Janina
> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be OK with moderating nonmember posts.
>>> 
>>> The problem with moderating, of course, is that someone has to be 
>>> tasked with that chore. And, that someone needs a backup person when 
>>> they're on vacation, or sick, etc. And, we can't expect them to 
>>> clear (or deny) posts by the minute --- so how often would we expect such to occur?
>>> Daily? Weekly?
>>> 
>>> If you review the minutes from yesterday's ARIA call, you'll find 
>>> the discussion was concerned to make it as easy as possible to 
>>> participate in ARIA development. However, "easy as possible" needs 
>>> to meet certain commitments, and we need those commitments on 
>>> record. These include the good behavior and agreement to W3C RAND.
>>> 
>>> PS: The HTML-A11Y Task Force is moderating nonmember posts. It's 
>>> been a low incidence chore, fortunately.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> James Craig writes:
>>>> Is there an option to allow public read, but moderated posting? If so, I'd prefer that solution. If not, +1 as-is.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The resolution of the teleconference was to adopt a policy that 
>>>>> public subscription to the list will be allowed, but it will be 
>>>>> carried out via a manual process, rather than automatic 
>>>>> self-subscribe. A request to subscribe would be directed to the 
>>>>> staff contact, who would reply with a short set of commitments 
>>>>> asked of list subscribers, and upon receiving an affirmative reply, would subscribe the person.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Janina Sajka,    Phone:    +1.443.300.2200
>>>            sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net

>>>        Email:    janina@rednote.net
>>> 
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>>> 
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> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka,    Phone:    +1.443.300.2200
>            sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net

>        Email:    janina@rednote.net
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:    http://a11y.org

> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair,    Protocols & Formats    http://www.w3.org/wai/pf

>

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