Re: aria-modal (Was: @inert and @aria-inert for disambiguating modal states)

Agree, put modal on window.

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From:   Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
To:     James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, 
Cc:     Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>, James Craig 
<jcraig@apple.com>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>, 
Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
Date:   11/07/2014 12:13 PM
Subject:        Re: aria-modal (Was: @inert and @aria-inert for 
disambiguating modal   states)



+1


Rich Schwerdtfeger

James Nurthen ---11/07/2014 11:47:44 AM---I'd put it on window so it 
inherits to alertdialog too. But other than that +1

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
To: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>, Richard 
Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, 
W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date: 11/07/2014 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: aria-modal (Was: @inert and @aria-inert for disambiguating 
modal  states)



I'd put it on window so it inherits to alertdialog too.
But other than that +1


On 11/7/2014 9:24 AM, Alexander Surkov wrote: 
I'm up for role="dialog" + aria-modal="true" approach.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> 
wrote: 
Sounds like we agree that aria-inert should be dropped. Anyone disagree? 


Rich Schwerdtfeger

"james.nurthen@oracle.com" ---11/06/2014 09:24:15 PM---I agree. While I 
think event silencing and focus management are a useful feature they are 
not approp

From: "james.nurthen@oracle.com" <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
To: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
Cc: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <
public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date: 11/06/2014 09:24 PM
Subject: Re: aria-modal (Was: @inert and @aria-inert for disambiguating 
modal states)




I agree. While I think event silencing and focus management are a useful 
feature they are not appropriate for an aria- attribute. 
As far as I can see aria-modal solves the problem at hand and I see no 
reason to have an aria-inert. 


On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:36 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote: 
@aria-modal would not do the focus management and event silencing that 
@inert would, but a new @aria-inert attr would not be able to do that 
either.


On Nov 6, 2014, at 12:59 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com> 
wrote: 
In that case I see no need for aria-inert. 

Are there other use cases that ACTION-1347 would not address?

Regards,
James


On 11/6/2014 12:52 PM, James Craig wrote: 
On Nov 6, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com> wrote:

Agreed, I'd love to see @aria-modal to go with role=dialog. Obviously the 
html5 dialog element is even better, but not all browsers support that 
yet.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
 wrote:
I see the need for a developer to state whether their dialogs are modal or 
not.
We have a 1.1 action for that.

ACTION-1347: Add an attribute for differentiating modal vs non-modal 
dialogs/menus/etc. (possibly aria-modal)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1347

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