Re: 48-Hour Call for Consensus (CfC): Make HTML 5.0 Strong Semantics Informative

Hi Janina,

What I think the PF is asking for is that the following MUST requirement in
the HTML 5.0 CR specification be removed or modified:

"The default implicit ARIA semantics defined below must be recognised by
> implementations for the purposes of ARIA processing. [ARIAIMPL]"
>

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/dom.html#wai-aria

It would be really helpful if the nature of the changes to spec text were
provided.

Note: I am not objecting to the PF requesting changes, I would just like to
be clear on the changes being asked for.

--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 12 June 2014 18:39, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Rich.
>
> So, I think we're might be getting to the clarity that Steve was asking
> for. But, I can't speak for him, of course. So, Steve, would you accept
> this CfC with the clarification that Rich provides? If so, I think we
> can ammend our request accordingly, though we should confirm the amended
> approach on the Monday ARIA call first.
>
> Will that work?
>
> Janina
>
> Richard Schwerdtfeger writes:
> >
> > Janina,
> >
> > I have thought about this some more and we should say that the default
> > implicit semantics should be treated as informative. We need to keep the
> > rules defined in the spec. for strong native semantics where the author
> is
> > restricted in the on the use of roles, states, and properties on specific
> > elements. This can be tested with the a validator or an accessibility
> test
> > tool as these are normative authoring requirements. We don't want to wait
> > until a later version of HTML to start imposing those requirements. The
> > ARIA specification allows a host language to do this:
> >
> > "Host languages MAY document features that cannot be overridden with
> > WAI-ARIA (these are called "strong native semantics"
> >
> > I apologize for not thinking this through more earlier.
> >
> > Best,
> > Rich
> >
> >
> > Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > To:   W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
> > Date: 06/11/2014 12:37 PM
> > Subject:      48-Hour Call for Consensus (CfC): Make HTML 5.0 Strong
> >             Semantics  Informative
> >
> >
> >
> > Colleagues:
> >
> > This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to formally request that the HTML-WG
> > take one of the following two courses of action with respect to
> > strong native semantics in HTML 5.0:
> >
> >
> http://htmlwg.org/heartbeat/WD-html5-20140617/dom.html#sec-strong-native-semantics
> >
> >
> > 1.)            Mark this section as RFC2119 "informative" in the current
> 5.0
> > version of
> > HTML, with a note that it is expected to become normative in a future
> > version of HTML.
> >
> > 2.)            Produce testing results that validate maintaning this
> > section's
> > current RFC2119 normative status.
> >
> > The ARIA Task Force believes it may be possible to take the second
> > course of action without an HTML Accessibility API Mappings
> > specification, but such a specification would make the task much
> > simpler. This document is, of course, not yet available for this
> > purpose.
> >
> > This proposal is made by the WAI_PF ARIA Task Force, as discussed in its
> > regular weekly teleconference on 2 June last, logged at:
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-aria-minutes.html
> >
> > Please reply on list to this email with any objections or concerns.
> > Silence will be interpreted as ascent, though positive
> > messages of support are most welcome.
> >
> > If there are no objections by Close of Business Boston Time Friday 13
> > June, this CfC will carry, and will be communicated to the HTML-A11Y TF
> > and the HTML-WG as a formal PF comment and request.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka,          Phone:          +1.443.300.2200
> >
> sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> >                                Email:          janina@rednote.net
> >
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:              http://a11y.org
> >
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair,                 Protocols & Formats
> http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> >                Indie UI
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> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka,   Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
>                         sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
>                 Email:  janina@rednote.net
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair,  Protocols & Formats     http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
>         Indie UI                        http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
>
>