- From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:35:59 -0400
- To: Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com>
- Cc: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>, "public-personalization-tf@w3.org" <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAFmg2sW9-DihM9VHo6fAJSZJiZ+MUL39ayaLWT1nZHu_WEe1zg@mail.gmail.com>
> Oh my, it _is_ different on Windows. heh heh heh... [image: image.png] (alt: hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil...) JF On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 5:06 PM Matthew Atkinson <matkinson@tpgi.com> wrote: > Hi Lionel, JF, Charles, Janina, all, > > tl;dr: I've made updates in line with your feedback; thanks! It's still > too long; will be concentrating on that next. > > A quick update to the quick update: > > 1. Re-phrased the "call to action"s near the end, as Lionel suggested. > > 2. I quite like the yellow highlight, but I understand how it may appear > to be a warning. The problem is that only changing the font colour could > make it hard for some people to see that _any_ of the code is highlighted. > I am also trying to stay within the TPAC styles as best I can. If you or > anyone could come up with some different colours we could use (with >=3:1 > contrast for the highlight/highlighted code), I can include them. Would've > liked to've been able to use syntax highlighting like in your slides, but > the TPAC template doesn't do it. I'll need help with this to get it sorted > in time. > > 3. Tweaked the wording at the start along the lines you suggested JF. I'd > like to think the changes being made were already moving us in that > direction, and agree that a bit of specific technical info up-front to set > expectations is helpful. I was going to reference a famous quote, then > wondered who said it and found an interesting article [1]. Also: Roxette > rule! > > 4. Oh my, it _is_ different on Windows. Fired up my VM and there we go. > Thanks for catching this. I will check all the slides after to make sure > they fit. I wonder if my presentation from last year has the same problem! > > 5. Started finalising the speaker info slide. Want to ACK that Lionel and > Lisa both contributed slide material directly, and that all of us have > worked on it. Feedback welcome. > > A version with these changes has been pushed [2]. > > Important note: the deck is still too long, so some slides will be > removed, or moved to being appendix/supporting material. Still need to > practice on the latest version. Will update you again as soon as I can, > though I note our first session is very soon (in fact I think it's when our > call would've been on Monday). > > best regards, > > > Matthew > > [1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/08/15/tell-em/ > [2] https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/199 > -- > Matthew Tylee Atkinson > -- > Senior Accessibility Engineer > TPG Interactive > https://www.tpgi.com > A Vispero Company > https://www.vispero.com > -- > This message is intended to be confidential and may be legally privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended > recipient, please delete this message from your system and notify us > immediately. > Any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted to be > taken by an unintended recipient in reliance on this message is prohibited > and may be unlawful. > > On 13/10/2021, 19:07, "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click links, > open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. > > > I'd be OK with John's proposed reordering. What do others think? > > Listing AAC third doesn't bother me, because it's a technical > definition > most people won't get until they see examples. Bullet one is fairly > specific in that way as well, but it's generally comprehendable, then > bullet 2 breaks out the curb cut effect here. That engages, imo. > > Janina > > John Foliot writes: > > FWIW.... on that particular screen Matthew, I also have a minor > concern > > that the order of the bullets places an undue emphasis on symbols, > to the > > detriment of (what I believe will be the most adopted attributes) > *action*, > > *destination*, and *purpose*. I personally would be much happier if > those > > bullets read like this: > > > > * People with cognitive and learning disabilities, such as > dyscalculia, > > AD(H)D, short-term memory loss, etc. > > * People who are in a time of crisis, or have a migraine, or are busy > > * People who use Augmentative and Alternative Communication (AAC) > (with > > varying vocabulary sizes) > > * People who struggle to learn/recognise new icons > > > > (You may note some additional editorial suggestions) > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > JF > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:43 PM John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > > > > > FWIW Matthew, I am seeing the same problem. > > > > > > [image: image.png] > > > > > > I'm going to blame it on Mac versus Windows, but that's just me... > > > > > > JF > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:34 PM Matthew Atkinson < > matkinson@tpgi.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Charles, all, > > >> > > >> Thanks for all the feedback everyone; I am working on it. > > >> > > >> Charles: I think you may be looking at an older version of the > slides. > > >> The latest version has 28 slides. You may need to force-reload in > your > > >> browser. If you are looking at the latest version, I'm not > exactly sure > > >> what could be happening there; maybe something to do with screen > > >> resolution; please ping me off-list if you are still having > problems; > > >> thanks! > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> > > >> Matthew > > >> -- > > >> Matthew Tylee Atkinson > > >> -- > > >> Senior Accessibility Engineer > > >> TPG Interactive > > >> https://www.tpgi.com > > >> A Vispero Company > > >> https://www.vispero.com > > >> -- > > >> This message is intended to be confidential and may be legally > > >> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are > not the > > >> intended recipient, please delete this message from your system > and notify > > >> us immediately. > > >> Any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted > to be > > >> taken by an unintended recipient in reliance on this message is > prohibited > > >> and may be unlawful. > > >> > > >> On 13/10/2021, 13:35, "Charles LaPierre" <charlesl@benetech.org> > wrote: > > >> > > >> CAUTION: This email originated outside Vispero. Do not click > links, > > >> open attachments or forward unless you recognize the sender. > > >> > > >> Small point. > > >> Slide #4's text goes off the screen. > > >> Thanks > > >> EOM > > >> Charles LaPierre > > >> Technical Lead, DIAGRAM and Born Accessible > > >> Imageshare Product Manager > > >> Twitter: @CLaPierreA11Y > > >> Skype: charles_lapierre > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Matthew Atkinson < > matkinson@tpgi.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello TF, > > >> > > >> Lisa and I took a couple of hours this morning to really > improve the > > >> slides, and think they're in much better shape now. I also have > extensive > > >> notes (currently in some of the slides as HTML comments) about > emphasis I > > >> need to put on what COGA will need to know, and what we'll need > to know > > >> from them, so I will be sure to address that as we go through. I > still may > > >> cut out some slides—at the very least some will be moved to > "appendix" > > >> sort-of material—but I don't think any more need to be added. > (There are > > >> some placeholders for code samples I just couldn't get to this > evening; > > >> will add those very soon.) > > >> > > >> PR URL: > https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/199 > > >> Preview URL: > > >> > https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/tpac-2021-talk/talks/2021/tpac/index.html > > >> > > >> We've made general changes to keep the focus on our core > use-cases, > > >> pre-empt questions about i18n issues, clarify how we're aiming to > solve > > >> problems and generally ensure that proper terminology is being > used. > > >> > > >> Feedback welcome though hopefully we're pretty close now. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> > > >> Matthew > > >> -- > > >> Matthew Tylee Atkinson > > >> -- > > >> Senior Accessibility Engineer > > >> TPG Interactive > > >> https://www.tpgi.com > > >> A Vispero Company > > >> https://www.vispero.com > > >> -- > > >> This message is intended to be confidential and may be legally > > >> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are > not the > > >> intended recipient, please delete this message from your system > and notify > > >> us immediately. > > >> Any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or > omitted to > > >> be taken by an unintended recipient in reliance on this message is > > >> prohibited and may be unlawful. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > *John Foliot* | > > > Senior Industry Specialist, Digital Accessibility | > > > W3C Accessibility Standards Contributor | > > > > > > "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it > shorter." - > > > Pascal "links go places, buttons do things" > > > > > > > > > -- > > *John Foliot* | > > Senior Industry Specialist, Digital Accessibility | > > W3C Accessibility Standards Contributor | > > > > "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it > shorter." - > > Pascal "links go places, buttons do things" > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka > https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > > -- *John Foliot* | Senior Industry Specialist, Digital Accessibility | W3C Accessibility Standards Contributor | "I made this so long because I did not have time to make it shorter." - Pascal "links go places, buttons do things"
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