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Re: Personalization thoughts & takeaways from TPAC

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2018 15:12:40 -0400
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Cc: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20181031191240.GF2536@rednote.net>
My sense is that they were more interested in seeing the vocabulary laid
out in one coordinated way.

I think naming the actual attribute/mechanism was not so much of
interest.

Janina

John Foliot writes:
> Hi Lisa,
> 
> Actually, by my recollection they left things relatively open, but more
> than one person agreed that an attribute such as @purpose might not meet
> all of our needs, so we *may* be able to propose 2, or maybe even 3
> attribute suggestions going forward. For example, in the help modules, it's
> not so much "purpose" as "type-of-help", so perhaps there we may need a
> different (second) attribute. Likewise, some of the terms that ultimately
> take string text may also need an attribute different than @purpose, so
> there was a realization (at least I think so) that we are ultimately asking
> for one of three types of personalization info: tokens, string text, or
> URI's
> 
> There was however, (at least I felt / heard) an overwhelming rejection of
> having too many special-use attributes, along with the warning that aui-*
> attributes would create a collision with other existing content on the web,
> which I think was also good feedback.
> 
> Overall I think the reception and comments we received from Web Plat were
> helpful in confirming (amongst other things) that my late idea of a
> micro-syntax was actually not a very good idea (but it WAS good that we
> were able to show Web Plat we were exploring all options, as opposed to
> showing up with a pre-formed "solution" without any input from them). I
> think having the opportunity to also socialize our work with Web Plat at
> this time was also quite beneficial.
> 
> I will (sadly) not be on Monday's call (Nov. 5th) , as I will be travelling
> for work, but I look forward to us moving forward.
> 
> JF
> 
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 1:02 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the summary John.
> >
> > I do not remember Web Plat guidance is to likely for us ask for 1-3 new
> > attributes -  i thought it was more as needed and as we can defend
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Lisa Seeman
> >
> > LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter
> > <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa>
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:53:44 +0300 *John Foliot
> > <john.foliot@deque.com <john.foliot@deque.com>>* wrote ----
> >
> > Relevant Minutes:
> >
> > https://www.w3.org/2018/10/22-WebPlat-minutes.html#item04
> > https://www.w3.org/2018/10/24-personalization-minutes
> >
> >
> > Web Plat meeting:
> >
> >    - Web Plat guidance is to likely for us ask for 1-3 new attributes
> >    - They would like to see the taxonomies slightly more mature (we
> >    should do a concatenated version as well)
> >    - Terence Eden: HM Gov (UK) are keen to help on this. (Spoke with
> >    Terrence Thursday - will forward meeting agenda/invite for our next call to
> >    him)
> >    - Don't go for a micro-syntax.
> >    - *Avoid AUI-* attributes.* Concerns because there is a CSS vendor
> >    that already uses that prefix, my (Brian Kardell) company also uses it,
> >    probably others.
> >    - Suggest not prefixing it - there are multiple use cases outside the
> >    personalisation semantics. Siloing it into accessibility will actually
> >    reduce uptake in useful scenarios.
> >
> >
> > Plenary Day Presentation:
> >
> >    - Correlation with Web Publishing (Ivan Herman) - we should follow up.
> >    They too are interested in a general purpose attribute (purpose="").
> >    - The role of Web Annotations in crowd-sourced augmentation should be
> >    investigated (idioms and expressions - also think about "slang")
> >    - Q: do we have a longer-range vision statement? Where? Role of
> >    machine learning and AI?
> >    - Concern around "name" (comments about "personalization" such as
> >    "change my font size and remember it" in i.e. Captions)
> >    - Some people in the captions world worry about the change of subtitle
> >    text. Different constituents have different views on how it should work. *It
> >    also has privacy impacts, in case of JavaScript access to that type of
> >    personalization.*
> >    - We are going to (we should) ask for a TAG review
> >
> > JF
> > --
> > *John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist
> > Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
> > deque.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> *​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
> deque.com

-- 

Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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