Re: Personalization thoughts & takeaways from TPAC

Hi Lisa,

Actually, by my recollection they left things relatively open, but more
than one person agreed that an attribute such as @purpose might not meet
all of our needs, so we *may* be able to propose 2, or maybe even 3
attribute suggestions going forward. For example, in the help modules, it's
not so much "purpose" as "type-of-help", so perhaps there we may need a
different (second) attribute. Likewise, some of the terms that ultimately
take string text may also need an attribute different than @purpose, so
there was a realization (at least I think so) that we are ultimately asking
for one of three types of personalization info: tokens, string text, or
URI's

There was however, (at least I felt / heard) an overwhelming rejection of
having too many special-use attributes, along with the warning that aui-*
attributes would create a collision with other existing content on the web,
which I think was also good feedback.

Overall I think the reception and comments we received from Web Plat were
helpful in confirming (amongst other things) that my late idea of a
micro-syntax was actually not a very good idea (but it WAS good that we
were able to show Web Plat we were exploring all options, as opposed to
showing up with a pre-formed "solution" without any input from them). I
think having the opportunity to also socialize our work with Web Plat at
this time was also quite beneficial.

I will (sadly) not be on Monday's call (Nov. 5th) , as I will be travelling
for work, but I look forward to us moving forward.

JF

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 1:02 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the summary John.
>
> I do not remember Web Plat guidance is to likely for us ask for 1-3 new
> attributes -  i thought it was more as needed and as we can defend
>
> All the best
>
> Lisa Seeman
>
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> ---- On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:53:44 +0300 *John Foliot
> <john.foliot@deque.com <john.foliot@deque.com>>* wrote ----
>
> Relevant Minutes:
>
> https://www.w3.org/2018/10/22-WebPlat-minutes.html#item04
> https://www.w3.org/2018/10/24-personalization-minutes
>
>
> Web Plat meeting:
>
>    - Web Plat guidance is to likely for us ask for 1-3 new attributes
>    - They would like to see the taxonomies slightly more mature (we
>    should do a concatenated version as well)
>    - Terence Eden: HM Gov (UK) are keen to help on this. (Spoke with
>    Terrence Thursday - will forward meeting agenda/invite for our next call to
>    him)
>    - Don't go for a micro-syntax.
>    - *Avoid AUI-* attributes.* Concerns because there is a CSS vendor
>    that already uses that prefix, my (Brian Kardell) company also uses it,
>    probably others.
>    - Suggest not prefixing it - there are multiple use cases outside the
>    personalisation semantics. Siloing it into accessibility will actually
>    reduce uptake in useful scenarios.
>
>
> Plenary Day Presentation:
>
>    - Correlation with Web Publishing (Ivan Herman) - we should follow up.
>    They too are interested in a general purpose attribute (purpose="").
>    - The role of Web Annotations in crowd-sourced augmentation should be
>    investigated (idioms and expressions - also think about "slang")
>    - Q: do we have a longer-range vision statement? Where? Role of
>    machine learning and AI?
>    - Concern around "name" (comments about "personalization" such as
>    "change my font size and remember it" in i.e. Captions)
>    - Some people in the captions world worry about the change of subtitle
>    text. Different constituents have different views on how it should work. *It
>    also has privacy impacts, in case of JavaScript access to that type of
>    personalization.*
>    - We are going to (we should) ask for a TAG review
>
> JF
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> *John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
> deque.com
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