Re: ECB: On-line Payments Remain Fragmented

Hi Anders,

You said "It is obvious that a more complete standard is needed in order to
succeed." but in response to Rouslan's question of "What are the components
of the more complete standard in your mind?" you seem to have ignored the
question and only talked about high-level and unrelated issues.

Can you be specific about what you consider missing at the front-end?

Adrian

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 at 08:48, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2019-12-08 10:56, Rouslan Solomakhin wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 2:03 AM Anders Rundgren <
> anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com <mailto:anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Chairs and WG members,
> >
> >     This recent speech by an ECB board member echoes what I have been
> saying for quite some time:
> >
> https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2019/html/ecb.sp191126~5230672c11.en.html
> >
> >           "progress at the back-end has not translated into similar
> progress at the front-end, which
> >            remains fragmented, with no European solution emerging for
> point-of-sale and online payments"
> >
> >     Although not useless, PaymentRequest does not address this problem.
> It is obvious that a more complete standard is needed in order to succeed.
> >
> > What are the components of the more complete standard in your mind?
>
> ECB's remark should be seen in the context of SEPA credit transfer which
> is a Eurozone-wide payment system.  For card payments (with the major
> brands) there is EMV maintained by EMVCo.  There are no counterparts to EMV
> and EMVCo for SEPA credit transfer dealing with the "frontend".
>
> So it begins with an unresolved organizational issue.  Personally, I
> believe this will remain a problem because nowadays most of the core
> technology is defined by platform vendors like Google and Apple.
>
> Sticking to high-level issues, I believe that my claim that there is a
> desire to unify on-line and physical-world payments indeed is valid.  As
> far as I know the Chinese payment giants already have that although I don't
> know the details.  This has major implications on system design.
>
> Then there are some W3C peculiarities as well: I mailed
> https://cyberphone.github.io/doc/web/calling-apps-from-the-web.pdf to
> some of the leading folks at Google and Mozilla and asked for a
> commentary.  Apparently I stepped on some very sensitive toes because I got
> ZERO response.
>
> Although I'm surely biased, the combination of Open Banking APIs and "EMV
> on steroids" seems like a [technically] pretty good candidate for
> addressing this "standards deficit".
>
> Anders
>
>
> >
> >        I'm well aware of that this is out of scope for the W3C.
> >
> >     It is worth noting that the ECB use the terms "frontend" and
> "backend" which have been a stumbling block for the now dormant
> credit-transfer WG item.  ISO 20022 is primarily backend and thus have
> little to do with PaymentRequest which is frontend.  Of course the front-
> and back-ends must meet somewhere but that is actually one of the more
> complex topics.
> >
> >     Regards
> >     Anders
> >     non-Member
> >
>
>
>