- From: Dimitrios Koutsomitropoulos <kotsomit@hpclab.ceid.upatras.gr>
- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:33:04 +0200
- To: <public-owl-dev@w3.org>
Could please somebody explain what has happened to OWL-R DL and OWL-R Full? >From my understanding, OWL-R DL used to be pure DLP, while OWL-R Full allows all constructs and has no constraints on syntax, but rule-based reasoning remains complete only under weaker semantics (I think this profile was equivalent to OWLim's OWL Horst). How is this new OWL-RL compared to the other two? Regards, Dimitrios > -----Original Message----- > From: public-owl-dev-request@w3.org [mailto:public-owl-dev- > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Dimitrios Koutsomitropoulos > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:33 PM > To: public-owl-dev@w3.org > Subject: RE: Punning between properties types > > > Bijan, thanks for your prompt reply. Please find my > comments/understanding > below: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: public-owl-dev-request@w3.org [mailto:public-owl-dev- > > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Bijan Parsia > > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:52 PM > > To: Dimitrios Koutsomitropoulos > > Cc: public-owl-dev@w3.org > > Subject: Re: Punning between properties types > > > > > > On 7 Nov 2008, at 17:53, Dimitrios Koutsomitropoulos wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Regarding the punning issue in OWL 2, I notice than in the new OWL > > > 2 semantics document [1], in the changes summary, punning has been > > > disallowed between object and data properties. > > > > > > The relevant issue [2] is resolved based on the fact that “there > > > are no use-cases” or “we don’t know how to do it”. > > > > No no no! Some people might believe these things but I certainly and > > vocally don't ;) There are plenty of use cases and we do know how to > > do it. The problem is that in order to disambiguate certain punning > > cases in RDF triples we need to introduce new logical vocabulary > > (since there is no context for the occurrence of a URI node...there's > > only one in the whole graph). Some people (most prominently, HP) > > objected to this. So, the compromise was to through out all sorts of > > punning that in the RDF serialization required new vocabulary. > > > > > From this I understand that an <owl:objectProperty> cannot be > > > treated as an <owl:datatypeProperty> and vice-versa. > > > > This is true. > > > > > However what is the deal with <rdf:property> ? > > > > There's no such thing, really, in OWL 2 non-full. Every property is > > required to be one or the other (or an annotation propery). > > So the only legal way for an <rdf:property> to be treated by an OWL 2 > tool, > is to consider the ontology as OWL 2 full. Where I presume this > property > would be considered *both* as object- and data- and not punned. But it > would > still be syntactically correct, whereas in OWL 2 DL it is not allowed. > > > > > > When an rdf ontology is loaded by a reasoner or an application , > > > how should it treat a generic <rdf:property>? > > > > The spec does not say. In the extreme case it could reject the > > ontology as malformed (for DL reasoning). Or it could ask the user. > > Or it could attempt some repair using heuristics. Or it could pass it > > on to an OWL Full mode (if there is such). > > This fullness should imply that no reasoning is to be attempted? > > > > > I see three options: > > > > > > - Such properties should be totally ignored (or should not > > > exist all along) > > > - Should be considered only of a fixed type (either data - > > > or object-) > > > - Should be punned based on their use > > > > The latter is possible in some cases, but not in every case. A simple > > example, suppose you have P and C as terms in your ontology and the > > declarations: > > > > ObjectProperty(P) > > DataProperty(P) > > Class(C) > > Datatype(C) > > > > Now, what do you do with the expression P some C? Is it an > > objectproperty somevalues from or a dataproperty somevaluesfrom, or > > both? More to the point what if you want to say that something was P > > (object) some C and P (data) all not (datatype) C? > > > > Those parens don't work in RDF. > > > > Now, in many cases we can make good guesses. Tools will have to come > > up with them :) > > Therefore, punning on the types of properties *can* work, at least in > some > cases, without fullness. For example for those where there are no > restrictions on such properties. Shouldn't this part be considered by > the > OWL 2 spec? > > > > > > > Latest Protégé 4 (b. 103) seems to follow the last option, with > > > which I personally agree. This is also supported by the latest > FaCT+ > > > + (1.2.0) > > > > There is another option: "Determined based on what we can glean of > > their use". > > > > > However Pellet 2.0 throws exceptions. Is this a bug or a feature, > > > considering the above resolution? > > > > It is conforming. The specs don't say what to do with non-conforming > > ontologies. I'd say that one would hope that the tools will do better > > than throw an exception. > Is there a way to guide Pellet to "overcome" such properties? It just > seems > to consider such properties only as object ones and rejects the > ontology > when it finds out that they (may) reference data values (I should have > posted this elsewhere but I couldn't help it, sorry) > > > > > > In addition, should Protégé 4 and FaCT++ drop this feature? > > What about Protégé and FaCT++ then? Are they not conforming? > > > > Finally, is this perhaps an issue different than punning between > > > properties (i.e. has nothing to do)? > > > > > > It's related. > > Same with me. Therefore, the WG should look into this. Or at least > specify > what apps *may* do in such cases. > > Dimitrios > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: > 7/11/2008 9:08 đě
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