+1 to needing better discussion of reqs. I don't however think there
is a hidden agenda, I think the agendas are clear -JH
On Dec 17, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Jeremy Carroll wrote:
>
> Jim Hendler wrote:
>> <flame on - but not at Matthew>
>
>
> without wishing to fan Jim's flames, ...
>
> one aspect I noted at the F2F was that there is this decidability
> litmus test there is some wiggle room, and the actual drivers for
> what was a compelling argument and what wasn't had to do with the
> use cases and customers who we each had in mind.
>
> I found this was most noticeable when I talked about geometry.
> Obviously this was my *personal* interest rather than a business
> interest, so as HP rep, I am not going to push this. But any
> computational difficulties in using OWL to describe various
> geometric problems that I am interested in are basically
> irrelevant, in everybody's opinion (including mine), because
> geometrical reasoning (particularly the rather abstract problems
> that I like) is simply not a use case. (Fundamentally because
> mathematicians are poorer than bioscientists).
>
>
> So, as HP rep, I found the Oracle presentation compelling, much
> more compelling than most, because the Oracle customers and the HP
> customers are similar and doing similar things. However, none of
> the presentations were explicit in terms of customers, and we have
> made precious little advance on a use case and requirements
> document, so that the hidden differences between us (the various
> members of this WG) in terms of what we are trying to do with OWL,
> for whom, and why, remain hidden.
>
> I think, until we have made significant advance in Use Case and
> Requirements, Jim will continue to feel that the rest of the group
> have an agenda hidden from him, and is wanting to make decisions
> that don't make sense to him.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
"If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would
it?." - Albert Einstein
Prof James Hendler http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~hendler
Tetherless World Constellation Chair
Computer Science Dept
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY 12180