Re: Meeting 17 May - Agenda

I've made some changes in the document, also updated the examples, adding
the 'Unit competition' concept. I'll wait for more comments before changing
the term 'round' by 'phase'.

Best,

Martín

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:31 AM Martin Alvarez-Espinar <
martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org> wrote:

> Thanks, Chiheb, Andy. It sounds good to me (partially). Maybe this is
> better for a generic sports vocabulary.
>
> Your proposal is:
> 'Event' (competition) > 'Phase' (preliminary rounds, semifinals, final) >
> 'Unit Competition' (heats in rounds, the race/field event itself) , right?
>
> I agree we should include 'Unit' Competition, but I disagree with
> 'phase'.  Please note that this first version is a conceptual model, it
> does not include the final "tags" and "codes", but it should be easy to
> understand how a competition may be structured. In my opinion 'round' is
> more used than 'phase'. For instance:
> - Wikipedia [1] just mentions stage and rounds, no phase.
> - NBC News [2] just rounds.
> - USATF rules just [3] rounds
> - IAAF uses the term 'round' and 'heats' [4],
> - EA only refers to 'rounds' as well [5].
>
> So I cannot find 'phase' as a common term to say 'round'.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Martin
>
> PS. The good thing is that the model seems to represent the same concepts.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_at_the_Olympics
> [2] http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/track-and-field-101-competition-format
>
> [3] *http://www.usatf.org/usatf/files/f3/f389124f-b49d-49ee-a45a-d033a2480559.pdf
> <http://www.usatf.org/usatf/files/f3/f389124f-b49d-49ee-a45a-d033a2480559.pdf> *
> [4]
> https://www.iaaf.org/download/download?filename=89ed4cba-6b5e-49fe-a43e-9f5487b77a84.pdf&urlslug=IAAF%20Competition%20Rules%202016-2017%2C%20in%20force%20from%201%20November%202015%20(Chapter%203%20%E2%80%93%20Anti-Doping%20Rules%20of%20this%20edition%20of%20the%20rule%20book%20are%20no%20longer%20in%20force
> )
> [5]
> http://www.european-athletics.org/competitions/european-athletics-indoor-championships/2017/athletics/event/mens-400m/phase=atm004900/index.html
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:48 PM Andy Robinson <andy@reportlab.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18 May 2017 at 15:25, Chiheb Kaibi <
>> chiheb.kaibi@european-athletics.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Martin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After a second look at your example for a 100m competition, we have some
>>> comments here at EA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You use the words stage and round here. Maybe we should stay closer to
>>> what the IOC proposed in the ODF. They use the words Phase and Units for
>>> these levels in the competition structure. Have a look at the following
>>> chart:
>>>
>>
>> We were having exactly the same discussion on the whiteboard in London,
>> as I have to rename/name some database tables urgently.
>>
>> I like these IOC terms - "Phase" and "Unit".   I imagine it comes ourt of
>> years of arguing by experiences sports administrators.
>>
>> I prefer "Unit" to "Round", because we are already using integer round
>> values (round 1, round 2, round 3) as attributes of the Unit; and because
>> 'round' is a reserved word and built-in function in many programming
>> languages.
>>
>> In FinishLynx every race file has a first line with four facts at the
>> beginning, and we will be getting a huge volume of data in this format,
>>
>>      event_id, round, heat, event_name, [then lots more stuff ]
>>
>> round and heat are integers with a default of 1.  So it's very useful to
>> call the class or table "Unit" and to know that 'round' just holds an
>> integer.
>>
>> I wish we could get together and thrash this out.
>>
>> - Andy
>>
>>
>>