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Re: [EPHackathon] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso

From: Friedrich Lindenberg <friedrich@pudo.org>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:39:40 +0100
Message-ID: <CABGw_BvAqGpKZ2XkMRxscptcX7uqs4b9_K6SNYdEYa9bCwm3aQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: JOSEFSSON Erik <erik.josefsson@europarl.europa.eu>
Cc: James McKinney <james@opennorth.ca>, Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz@ping.de>, "public-opengov@w3.org" <public-opengov@w3.org>, "ris@lists.okfn.org" <ris@lists.okfn.org>, Open Government <open-government@lists.okfn.org>, "hackathon@list.tttp.eu" <hackathon@list.tttp.eu>, "oparl-tech@lists.okfn.org" <oparl-tech@lists.okfn.org>
Hi all,

in terms of cool AN tooling, I want to also point people at the amazing
work that my colleague Greg Kempe has been doing with South African bylaws (
http://openbylaws.org.za/). The frontend is cool, but what's awesome is the
backend tooling he's developed for turning plain text into AN XML. It comes
with a WYSIWYG editor for turning semi-structured docs into AN.

* Ruby gem for extraction: https://github.com/longhotsummer/slaw
* https://github.com/longhotsummer/openbylaws.org.za

Cheers,

- Friedrich



On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:11 AM, JOSEFSSON Erik <
erik.josefsson@europarl.europa.eu> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Here's a demo video: http://vimeo.com/17598642
>
> I have showed how we table amendments to proposed legislation with AT4AM
> remote (running in a citrix client) for students and at conferences a
> couple of times. From that experience I think I can safely say that people
> very quickly understand how the EU works when they see what we do in the EP.
>
> The reverse is happening with colleagues in the EP when I now can show
> that anyone can use AT4AM (running on external server) with any document
> that you "open" in the AT4AM editor.
>
> Folks in the EP suddenly understand lots of things about what is
> separating the Brussels Bubble from the people it governs*.
>
> That is at this stage just as important (which is why I ask for more
> "homemade" AKN documents to show). There are a plethora of projects that I
> think needs to be stopped or re-designed to be compliant with Rule 115,
> e.g. most of the the visions of DG EXPO and DG IPOL:
>
>
> http://erikjosefsson.eu/sites/default/files/dg-ipol-and-dg-expo-priorities-20140516.pdf
>
> I simply think folks in DG EXPO and DG IPOL need to read up:
>
> "Ensuring utmost transparency ‒ Free Software and Open Standards under the
> Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament"
> http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/105
>
> When they have done so, then we can have a discussion on how to get to
> where we should be.
>
> It's not only about democracy and transparency, it's about where tax
> payers money go too.
>
> Best regards.
>
> //Erik
>
>
> *) technically, that's answered in the second comment to the video above:
> "The application runs inside a secure intranet (managed switch controlled,
> so no sniffing) with no outside access (protected by a DMZ), and actual
> access is only possible from authenticated and known clients, with full
> auditing in place."
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: James McKinney [james@opennorth.ca]
> Sent: Sunday 11 January 2015 03:07
> To: Andreas Kuckartz
> Cc: JOSEFSSON Erik; ris@lists.okfn.org; Open Government;
> oparl-tech@lists.okfn.org; public-opengov@w3.org; hackathon@list.tttp.eu
> Subject: Re: AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
>
> I’m mostly aware of AN files for parliamentary debates, not for
> bills/amendments/legislation.
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz@ping.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > I will attempt to create some handcrafted Akoma Ntoso documents - but I
> > am still reading the specifications.
> >
> > Maybe James is aware of interesting AN documents?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andreas
> > ---
> >
> > JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >> Thanks Andreas!
> >>
> >> Would you or anybody else here be interested in making a "homemade"
> markup of a document that could be "opened" in AT4AM? (maybe an ISP
> consumer contract?)
> >>
> >> Like this for example:
> >>
> >>
> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=http://ping.de/andreas/web/stuff/testing-at4am.xml
> >>
> >> And then it would be great to discuss how to "export" amendments to
> that text into a document that has the same 'look and feel' as the
> amendment documents we use in the EP.
> >>
> >> You are welcome to subscribe to the at4am.eu list:
> >>
> >> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> //Erik
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Andreas Kuckartz [a.kuckartz@ping.de]
> >> Sent: Tuesday 30 December 2014 17:16
> >> To: JOSEFSSON Erik; James McKinney
> >> Cc: ris@lists.okfn.org; Open Government; oparl-tech@lists.okfn.org;
> public-opengov@w3.org; hackathon@list.tttp.eu
> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Multilingual thesaurus for parliamentary
> data using SKOS
> >>
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> no, there should be no real overlap with the work by OASIS on LegalDocML
> >> (aka Akoma Ntoso):
> >> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=legaldocml
> >>
> >> I think and hope that LegalDocML and the tiny thesaurus project are
> >> orthogonal.
> >>
> >> It is *great* that the AT4AM demo and mailing list are online again!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andreas
> >> ---
> >>
> >> JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >>> Should be lots of overlap with what they do on legal concepts over
> here:
> >>>
> >>> "XML for parliamentary, legislative & judiciary documents"
> >>> http://www.akomantoso.org/
> >>>
> >>> I take the opportunity to share that the demo version of AT4AM is up
> again:
> >>>
> >>> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=6
> >>>
> >>> as well as the list:
> >>>
> >>> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>>
> >>> There is a video too:
> >>>
> >>> http://vimeo.com/17598642
> >>>
> >>> And a relevant budget line (Item 26 03 77 05):
> >>>
> >>> http://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20141219-01.en.html
> >>>
> >>> Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> //Erik
>
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