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Re: FYI: Public Draft of the W3C Annotation Working Group Charter

From: Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:45:45 -0500
Message-ID: <CADUi7O6hJp-eDtjKe-LVHZDf7K1uzq52d7L0M5q6AE+gkbzTnw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Cc: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>, W3C Public Annotation List <public-annotation@w3.org>
We have some detailed examples in the supplementary material of our
PLOSone paper [1].  As Paolo says, OA Selector methods generally work
for queries. You just need domain vocabulary for the query variables.
With just a little dance the pattern can even be given meaning
signalling annotations that make an assertion intended to hold for an
arbitrary database that can make sense of the query.
--Bob

[1]  Semantic Annotation of Mutable Data
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0076093

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
> Hi, Paolo-
>
> Not to drill too deep into details, but what would such a selector look
> like?
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
>
> On 2/4/14 7:38 PM, Paolo Ciccarese wrote:
>>
>> Hi Doug, Bob, all,
>> in the current Open Annotation model - and that was true for Open
>> Annotation Collaboration and Annotation Ontology models - the data
>> annotation is supported and an important aspect of the overall idea. For
>> instance we can have a selector that is able to identify a portion of a
>> dataset through an appropriate mechanisms (even a SQL query if necessary).
>>
>> Doug, data selectors don't change the need for robust anchoring within
>> the web documents realm, it is simply a different aspect. The concern is
>> to have a new model that will somehow preclude/limit that. That would be
>> a problem for instance for the scientific community where data curation
>> can be addressed with annotation.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Paolo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org
>> <mailto:schepers@w3.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi, Bob-
>>
>>     The Force11 Data Citation Principles are interesting, and I
>>     certainly support them; they seem very much in line with TimBL's
>>     thinking about Linked Open Data and "five-star data".
>>
>>     While I agree with Ivan that we need to keep a focused scope, I'm
>>     curious what specifically you would like to see in the charter?
>>
>>     Much of the Force11 Data Citation Principles seem to be about
>>     publishing guidelines or citation guidelines, not annotations per
>>     se. Are you suggesting that the robust anchoring try to address data
>>     citation as well as document anchoring? Or is there some other way
>>     in which "data" could be more explicitly in scope?
>>
>>     Regards-
>>     -Doug
>>
>>
>>     On 2/4/14 11:53 AM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>
>>
>>         On 04 Feb 2014, at 16:28 , Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com
>>         <mailto:morris.bob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             This is good news and I add my thanks.
>>
>>             It will be no surprise to OA followers that only problem I
>> have
>>             with the early draft is that it does not unambiguously put
>> data
>>             annotation in the scope.  This is all the more disappointing
>>             given
>>             the quite interesting efforts that Tim and Ivan have pointed
>> out
>>             in public-openannotation@w3.org
>>             <mailto:public-openannotation@w3.org> about data citation
>>             practices,
>>             e.g. http://force11.org/__datacitation
>>             <http://force11.org/datacitation>, in the context of
>> increasing
>>
>>             pressure from funding agencies to provide the data behind the
>>             conclusions of scientific publications.
>>
>>
>>         Bob,
>>
>>         obviously:-) I am aware of the data publishing issues. And I
>>         think it
>>         is correct to say that part of the work that is planned in the
>> group
>>         (namely the finalization of the data model) would certainly be
>>         usable
>>         for data annotation as well.
>>
>>         However... the work on API-s, RESTful or not, would, I believe, be
>>         very different when we talk about annotation on data and about
>>         annotation on web pages or digital books. And the sad reality is
>>         that
>>         we have to make a choice in the scope because we cannot cover
>>         everything in one place. Hence the current focus on the
>>         'traditional'
>>         Web issues.
>>
>>         That being said: we are certainly open to either enlarge the scope
>>         or, possibly at a later point, spawn a different group with a
>>         different scope that would look at the annotation of data
>>         publishing.
>>         It is a matter of 'submissions' in the general sense, a maturity
>> of
>>         the technology in terms of a possible standardization, communities
>>         that are ready to step up... Let us see where the public
>> discussion
>>         goes!
>>
>>         Thanks!
>>
>>         Ivan
>>
>>
>>             On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Paolo Ciccarese
>>             <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com
>>             <mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear Community Group Members, As anticipated W3C may start
>> a
>>                 Working Group to standardize the major building blocks for
>>                 annotations.
>>
>>                 Thanks to the work of Ivan Herman and Doug Schepers, an
>>                 'advance
>>                 notice' has been issued to the W3C members[1] and a very
>>                 early
>>                 draft for the Working Group Charter [2] has been made
>>                 available
>>                 publicly.
>>
>>                 Any comments are welcome to finalize the draft. The best
>>                 is to
>>                 send them to the public-annotation@w3.org
>>                 <mailto:public-annotation@w3.org> mailing list whose role
>>
>>                 is to collect all the comments coming from the community
>> at
>>                 large.
>>
>>                 Best, Paolo & Rob
>>
>>                 [1]
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-annotation/__2014Feb/0000.html
>>
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Feb/0000.html>
>>
>>
>>     [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/Ann-__charter.html
>>     <http://www.w3.org/2014/01/Ann-charter.html>
>>
>>
>>                 -- Dr. Paolo Ciccarese http://www.paolociccarese.__info/
>>
>>                 <http://www.paolociccarese.info/> Biomedical
>>                 Informatics Research & Development Instructor of
>>                 Neurology at
>>                 Harvard Medical School Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass
>>                 General
>>                 Hospital Member of the MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             -- Robert A. Morris
>>
>>             Emeritus Professor  of Computer Science UMASS-Boston 100
>>             Morrissey
>>             Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390
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>>
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