Re: FYI: Public Draft of the W3C Annotation Working Group Charter

Hi Doug, Bob, all,
in the current Open Annotation model - and that was true for Open
Annotation Collaboration and Annotation Ontology models - the data
annotation is supported and an important aspect of the overall idea. For
instance we can have a selector that is able to identify a portion of a
dataset through an appropriate mechanisms (even a SQL query if necessary).

Doug, data selectors don't change the need for robust anchoring within the
web documents realm, it is simply a different aspect. The concern is to
have a new model that will somehow preclude/limit that. That would be a
problem for instance for the scientific community where data curation can
be addressed with annotation.


Best,
Paolo




On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi, Bob-
>
> The Force11 Data Citation Principles are interesting, and I certainly
> support them; they seem very much in line with TimBL's thinking about
> Linked Open Data and "five-star data".
>
> While I agree with Ivan that we need to keep a focused scope, I'm curious
> what specifically you would like to see in the charter?
>
> Much of the Force11 Data Citation Principles seem to be about publishing
> guidelines or citation guidelines, not annotations per se. Are you
> suggesting that the robust anchoring try to address data citation as well
> as document anchoring? Or is there some other way in which "data" could be
> more explicitly in scope?
>
> Regards-
> -Doug
>
>
> On 2/4/14 11:53 AM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>
>>
>> On 04 Feb 2014, at 16:28 , Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  This is good news and I add my thanks.
>>>
>>> It will be no surprise to OA followers that only problem I have
>>> with the early draft is that it does not unambiguously put data
>>> annotation in the scope.  This is all the more disappointing given
>>> the quite interesting efforts that Tim and Ivan have pointed out
>>> in public-openannotation@w3.org about data citation practices,
>>> e.g. http://force11.org/datacitation, in the context of increasing
>>> pressure from funding agencies to provide the data behind the
>>> conclusions of scientific publications.
>>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> obviously:-) I am aware of the data publishing issues. And I think it
>> is correct to say that part of the work that is planned in the group
>> (namely the finalization of the data model) would certainly be usable
>> for data annotation as well.
>>
>> However... the work on API-s, RESTful or not, would, I believe, be
>> very different when we talk about annotation on data and about
>> annotation on web pages or digital books. And the sad reality is that
>> we have to make a choice in the scope because we cannot cover
>> everything in one place. Hence the current focus on the 'traditional'
>> Web issues.
>>
>> That being said: we are certainly open to either enlarge the scope
>> or, possibly at a later point, spawn a different group with a
>> different scope that would look at the annotation of data publishing.
>> It is a matter of 'submissions' in the general sense, a maturity of
>> the technology in terms of a possible standardization, communities
>> that are ready to step up... Let us see where the public discussion
>> goes!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Paolo Ciccarese
>>> <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Community Group Members, As anticipated W3C may start a
>>>> Working Group to standardize the major building blocks for
>>>> annotations.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the work of Ivan Herman and Doug Schepers, an 'advance
>>>> notice' has been issued to the W3C members[1] and a very early
>>>> draft for the Working Group Charter [2] has been made available
>>>> publicly.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments are welcome to finalize the draft. The best is to
>>>> send them to the public-annotation@w3.org mailing list whose role
>>>> is to collect all the comments coming from the community at
>>>> large.
>>>>
>>>> Best, Paolo & Rob
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Feb/0000.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/Ann-charter.html
>
>>
>>>> -- Dr. Paolo Ciccarese http://www.paolociccarese.info/ Biomedical
>>>> Informatics Research & Development Instructor of Neurology at
>>>> Harvard Medical School Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General
>>>> Hospital Member of the MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Robert A. Morris
>>>
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>>> Blvd Boston, MA 02125-3390
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Ivan Herman, W3C Digital Publishing Activity Lead Home:
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Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
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