- From: John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 12:05:31 +0100
- To: Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>
- Cc: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAHLDFnrrH04w+W=qm4Ut9_kqUirxvVNgbYTHNCSsgo7ni_9rJg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all, As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and have the next call in two weeks on the 25th. Regards, John On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote: > Dear Philipp, all, > > I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki ( > https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_ > 2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST). > > Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation" at > https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 (feel > free to add/modify anything) > > Best, > Jorge > > El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<cimiano@cit-ec.uni- > bielefeld.de>) escribió: > >> Dear all, >> >> the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am travelling >> and that I can not attend. >> >> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the >> concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition: >> >> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that >> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense). >> >> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in >> detail through the examples provided by Fahad. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Philipp. >> >> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia: >> >> Hi Philipp, all, >> >> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week? >> >> Thanks! >> Jorge >> >> >> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>) >> escribió: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th). >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Julia >>> >>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (< >>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Katrien >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lic. Katrien Depuydt >>>> senior onderzoeker/taalkundige >>>> >>>> senior researcher/linguist >>>> >>>> +31 (0)71 527 2479 +31 (0)6 53627318 / kamer 104 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> */instituut voor de Nederlandse taal/* >>>> >>>> Rapenburg 61 / 2311 GJ / Leiden >>>> >>>> Postbus 6515 / 2300 RA / Leiden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ivdnt.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This message shall not constitute any obligations. >>>> >>>> This message is intended solely for the addressee. >>>> If you have received this message in error, please >>>> inform us and delete the message. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com] >>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40 >>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org >>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies. >>>> >>>> Ilan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM >>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Fahad, >>>> >>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today. >>>> >>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the >>>> definitions of attestation. >>>> >>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I >>>> think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan, >>>> Katrien, etc.) >>>> >>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week? >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Philipp. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan: >>>> >>>> Hi Philipp, >>>> >>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Fahad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld. >>>> de> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> thanks for this Ilan. >>>> >>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for >>>> the next two weeks. >>>> >>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation: >>>> >>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that >>>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense). >>>> >>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue >>>> our discussion on attestation. >>>> >>>> Talk to you later, >>>> >>>> Philipp. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions: >>>> >>>> · A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it >>>> may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii) not. >>>> >>>> o An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without its >>>> actual *citation*. >>>> >>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but the >>>> latter is not preceded by a *citation*) >>>> >>>> · An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is human-crafted, >>>> whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not. >>>> >>>> o The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short >>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*) >>>> >>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns, >>>> for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that >>>> is probably beyond the scope here) >>>> >>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope >>>> it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging. >>>> >>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article >>>> J: >>>> >>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual >>>> content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical >>>> resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity >>>> to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and >>>> typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former. >>>> ” >>>> >>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must >>>> take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity: >>>> citations and attestations” >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Ilan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>> >>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>> >>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>> >>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>> >>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>> >>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>> >>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>> >>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>> >>>> Germany >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>> >>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>> >>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>> >>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>> >>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>> >>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>> >>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>> >>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>> >>>> Germany >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. >>>> Het bericht is alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerde. >>>> Indien het bericht niet voor u is bestemd, verzoeken wij >>>> u dit aan ons te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. >>>> >>>> This message shall not constitute any obligations. >>>> This message is intended solely for the addressee. >>>> If you have received this message in error, please >>>> inform us and delete the message. >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Julia Bosque Gil >>> PhD Student >>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> >>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial >>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jorge Gracia, PhD >> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering >> University of Zaragoza >> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany >> >> > > -- > Jorge Gracia, PhD > Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering > University of Zaragoza > http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >
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