Re: citations etc

Hi all,

As many people seem to be busy, I propose we skip the call today and have
the next call in two weeks on the 25th.

Regards,
John

On 11 June 2018 at 11:27, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es> wrote:

> Dear Philipp, all,
>
> I copied the minutes of the last telco in the wiki  (
> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_
> 2018.05.28,_13-14_pm_CEST).
>
> Also, I started collecting the proposed definitions for "attestation" at
> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography#June_2018 (feel
> free to add/modify anything)
>
> Best,
> Jorge
>
> El lun., 11 jun. 2018 a las 9:49, Philipp Cimiano (<cimiano@cit-ec.uni-
> bielefeld.de>) escribió:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am travelling
>> and that I can not attend.
>>
>> The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the
>> concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:
>>
>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>
>> Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in
>> detail through the examples provided by Fahad.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>
>> Hi Philipp, all,
>>
>> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>)
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Julia
>>>
>>> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
>>> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Katrien
>>>>
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>>>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>>>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>>>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>>>
>>>> Ilan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>>>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Fahad,
>>>>
>>>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.
>>>>
>>>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the
>>>> definitions of attestation.
>>>>
>>>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I
>>>> think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan,
>>>> Katrien, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Philipp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Philipp,
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Fahad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.
>>>> de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>>>
>>>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for
>>>> the next two weeks.
>>>>
>>>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>>>
>>>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
>>>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>>>
>>>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue
>>>> our discussion on attestation.
>>>>
>>>> Talk to you later,
>>>>
>>>> Philipp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>>>
>>>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it
>>>> may either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii) not.
>>>>
>>>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without its
>>>> actual *citation*.
>>>>
>>>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but the
>>>> latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>>>
>>>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is human-crafted,
>>>> whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>>>
>>>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>>>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>>>
>>>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns,
>>>> for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that
>>>> is probably beyond the scope here)
>>>>
>>>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope
>>>> it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>>>
>>>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article
>>>> J:
>>>>
>>>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual
>>>> content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical
>>>> resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity
>>>> to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and
>>>> typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.
>>>> ”
>>>>
>>>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must
>>>> take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity:
>>>> citations and attestations”
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Ilan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
>> University of Zaragoza
>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>> AG Semantic Computing
>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>> Universität Bielefeld
>>
>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>
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>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
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> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
> University of Zaragoza
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
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