Re: OntoLex minutes 9/Apr/18

Hi Julia,

Yes that is certainly what I meant to say :)

Regards,
John

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a minor clarification for a line in the minutes from today:
>
> 'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry' -->  'SuperEntry' is a
> better name than 'DictionaryEntry'
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julia
>
>
> 2018-04-09 14:38 GMT+02:00 John McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The minutes from today are below:
>>
>> Present: Julia, Francesca, Ilan, John
>>
>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography
>> Issues raised by Sander:
>> JBG: Use of two properties describesEntry and describesSense, but
>> dictionaries describe much more than entries and senses.
>> JBG: Single describes property with multiple range?
>> JBG:Is this sufficient to capture the structure of a dictionary
>> JM: Probably sufficent, but some risk of not capturing all dictionaries
>> One property with multiple ranges may be more flexible than multiple
>> properties
>> Technical distinction between ranges of 'describes' but is there a
>> semantic distinction?
>> JM: probably technically okay to have a single property
>> JBG: SuperEntry of subEntry?
>> JM: I think this is an error in my minutes. It should be SuperEntry
>> FF: We aren't representing a digital version of a print dictionary, so is
>> dictionary entry the right name?
>> JBG: if a dictionary entry only has senses for nouns ontolex core is
>> sufficient. however the dictionary has senses for multiple pos I must use
>> DictionaryEntry. The use of dictionary entry implies the existence of a
>> paper dictionary.
>> JM: super entry is like an 'entry group' (as previously proposed) so
>> perhaps SuperEntry is a better name
>> FF: shows that lexical entries do not occur by themselves
>> IK: what is meant by typographical? what is the purpose of lexicography
>> module?
>> aims is to represent linguistic information (JM: broadly true)
>> JBG: yeah, some things are not linguistic, but somehow logical, e.g.,
>> sense orderings
>> JBG: In next telco we should repeat the goal of the module
>>
>> Key Points:
>> 'describe' as a property with multiple ranges is acceptable
>> 'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry'
>> goal of OntoLex is not same as TEI
>>
>> IK: how this relates to dictionaries. What about senses, when many
>> lexicographers (e.g., Kilgariff) reject them?
>> JBG: we provide enough tools to represent dictionaries
>> JM: OntoLex is quite opinionated as to what 'entries' and 'senses' mean,
>> so we need to bridge this with other representations
>> IK: Looking at future goals is important too. 'SuperEntry' is more
>> forward-looking
>>
>> Next Telco:
>> 23rd is difficult for some so postpone to 30 Apr, 13:00 CEST.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
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> Julia Bosque Gil
> PhD Student
> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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