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Re: telco today at 15:00

From: Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:53:16 +0200
Message-ID: <CANzuSaM2URsEja=RoOPvC811RMCPRswrw1BxeQZdWRffgvadHw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Gil Francopoulo <gil.francopoulo@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
Hi Gil,

Thanks for the comment! My intention was to propose a language URI as range
(from Library of Congress, for instance) rather than a String. We could
safely ignore the DCAT advise on the ISO codes to be used, of course.

Regards,
Jorge



2014-06-06 15:42 GMT+02:00 Gil Francopoulo <gil.francopoulo@wanadoo.fr>:

>  Hi all,
>
> Concerning the Jorge's remark, excuse me to get back on this discusion of
> language codes, we had with Felix several monthes ago.
>
> The W3C recommandation DCAT
> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#Property:catalog_language is both
> obsolete and totally silly.
>
> It is said:
>
> If a ISO 639-1 (two-letter) code is defined for language, then its
> corresponding IRI *SHOULD* be used; if no ISO 639-1 code is defined, then
> IRI corresponding to the ISO 639-2 (three-letter) code *SHOULD* be used.
>
> ISO-639-2 contains only 462 values: a large number of users (including
> myself for African languages) need to use ISO-639-3 codes which covers all
> languages (around 7000).
>
> Thus, I'm against defining ontolex:language with this obsolete
> specification.
>
> PS: it is not because a W3C recommandation was defined in January 2014
> that it is not semantically obsolete ;-)
>
> Gil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 06/06/2014 15:14, Jorge Gracia a écrit :
>
> Hi Philipp,
>
>  Let me add another issue for the first part
>
>  1.6) In ontolex:language, Is it better to have a URI as range instead of
> a String? See DCAT for instance
> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#Property:catalog_language
>
>  Regards,
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
> 2014-06-06 8:59 GMT+02:00 Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
> >:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  we have  a few things to discuss today, I would propose splitting the
>> slot in two parts:
>>
>> 1) Discussion about ontolex changes (30 mins, with decisions on the
>> single points)
>>
>>    1.1) Introducing Lexicalization into the core model (decision)
>>    1.2) Naming the property between a "Lexical Sense" and a "Lexical
>> Concept"; contains was not regarded as appropriate by many, so proposals on
>> the table are: realizes/isRealizedBy, lexicalizes/isLexicalizedBy,
>> instantiates/isInstantiatedBy, substantiates/isSubstantiatedBy,
>> means/isMeaningOf as well as expresses/isExpressedBy; I am fine with at
>> least 3 of them ;-)
>>    1.3) Discussion: renaming property lexicalForm to simply "form"
>>    1.4) Discussion: introducing property "definition" as a subclass of
>> rdfs:comment with domain ontolex:LexicalSense
>>    1.5) Discussion: explicitly introducing the class "Reference" as the
>> range of "reference" as we have it anyway in most our diagrams; has no
>> practical neither theoretical implications other than clarity (IMHO) and
>> increasing the size of the module by one class
>>
>> 2) Discussion on lime proposal sent by Manuel/Armando (this assumes that
>> Armando will be there to walk us through) -> 30 mins. (no decision)
>>
>> Btw: I finally managed to find a nice tool to produce UML-style
>> visualizations of our models. It is called draw.io ;-) I attach a
>> diagram that reflects the current state of the ontolex module. The diagram
>> is in the GIT repo as well (where cardinalities are not indicated they are
>> 0..n).
>>
>> I propose to postpone the discussion about Translation for another
>> occasion. I need to make up my mind myself there. I will send a separate
>> email on this.
>>
>> Access details can be found here as usual:
>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2014.06.06,_15-16_pm_CET
>>
>> Talk to you later!
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>
>> Phone: +49 521 106 12249
>> Fax: +49 521 106 12412
>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>
>> Forschungsbau Intelligente Systeme (FBIIS)
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>> 33619 Bielefeld
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Ontology Engineering Group
> Artificial Intelligence Department
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> http://delicias.dia.fi.upm.es/~jgracia/
>
>
>


-- 
Jorge Gracia, PhD
Ontology Engineering Group
Artificial Intelligence Department
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
http://delicias.dia.fi.upm.es/~jgracia/
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