Re: Hotel video rentals and Duty Classes

If it is part of an Agreement policy, then the commitment (to pay later) has been recorded?

R

> On 3 Jul 2024, at 22:04, Joshua Cornejo <josh@marketdata.md> wrote:
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> But wouldn’t that still leave the state of the Duty as “unfulfilled” (“all constraints are satisfied”) because the hotel:checkOut hasn’t happened?
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> IMHO (as I tried to explain during that call):
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> I will think that all rules in an agreement are “agreed” and there is no way around them, as such Duties are either:
> pre-fulfilled (like paying for the hotel room in advance) or
> a deferred commitment (like paying for the movies and minibar).
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> What I am trying to ascertain is the sequence of events for pre-fulfilled and what is the sequence of messages that an evaluator has to interact with the agents (for deferred commitment) (still hard for the implementors 😃).
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> From: Renato Iannella <r@iannel.la <mailto:r@iannel.la>>
> Date: Wednesday 3 July 2024 at 12:53
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> Subject: Re: Hotel video rentals and Duty Classes
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> It is possible to infer that “Fulfill” has temporal aspects…that is…the word may mean that the duty has been actioned/completed (eg the amount payed before playing the video).
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> But I think policies like the Hotel Movie rental should be very explicit and state that the compensation is due at the end of the hotel stay.
> (yes, this makes it harder for implementors!)
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> So, Example 22 https://www.w3.org/TR/odrl-model/#duty-perm
> could be updated with operator “eq” and rightOperand of the constraint being “hotel:checkOut” 
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> R
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>> On 3 Jul 2024, at 20:52, Joshua Cornejo <josh@marketdata.md> wrote:
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>> During one of the conversations about Semantics a couple of months ago, I tried badly to explain this:
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>> 2.6.1 Permission Class
>> A Permission allows an action, with all refinements satisfied, to be exercised on an Asset if all constraints are satisfied and if all duties are fulfilled.
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>> 2.6.3 Duty Class
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>> A Duty is the obligation to exercise an action, with all refinements satisfied. A Duty is fulfilled if all constraints are satisfied and if its action, with all refinements satisfied, has been exercised.
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>> Use case:
>> odrl:TouristAssignee visits a hotel, sits in his room and browses the movies’ catalogue – finds Dune 2 at a rental charge of €5. He clicks “rent” and watches the movie.
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>> They haven’t paid (duty fulfilment for all rentals and the mini-bar at the end of the stay), and any consequences for unfulfilled duties will trigger after this point as well.
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>> Is ‘fulfil’ the right word, what about using “committed”?
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>> Regards,
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