[minutes] Tuesday Feb 10 teleconf

Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

             Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group teleconf

10 Feb 2009

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0006.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          dom, Wilhelm, Kai, Carmelo, dmitri

   Regrets
   Chair
          Wilhelm

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Widgets testing
         2. [6]Device independent testing guidelines
         3. [7]Memory Test
         4. [8]Web Compatibility Test
         5. [9]Blog
         6. [10]Agreement on test suites with OMA
         7. [11]Next meetings
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Widgets testing

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded
   in [13]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING]

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   <dom_scribe> [14]Kai's update on widget testing

     [14] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260902090620j410df8fcj3e9ac04ab046f518@mail.gmail.com

   Kai: I've asked a question to Robert on the test harness to see if
   my pass/fail test cases can be pushed up to the test harness

   Wilhelm: I'll follow up with Robert to make sure he gets back to you
   on this

   Kai: is WTF a test harness?

   Wilhelm: it's primarily a way to organize the tests

   Dom: are the changes uploaded to the CVS server?

   Kai: no, they are only on my git repository at this time

Device independent testing guidelines

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to review new version of guidelines
   [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <dom_scribe> [16]Carmelo's comments

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0008.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to review new version of guidelines [recorded
   in [17]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   <dom_scribe> [18]Kai's comments

     [18] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260902030853m1e53ce9duc7483bcb8774c418@mail.gmail.com

   Kai: I had a few comments on the wording, and some additional ideas

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to reply to Kai's comments on DITG [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to provide text for DITG based on his
   comments [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   <dom_scribe> [21]Wilhelm's success report

     [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0009.html

   Wilhelm: what are the next steps on that document?

   Dom: Once I have replied to Kai's comments and we come to agreement,
   we can publish it as a WG note, and announce it to the Chairs

Memory Test

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if we can host the memory test on a
   W3C server [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   Dom: no progress on this, sorry

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to look further into memory test usability
   [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   <dom_scribe> [24]Kai's latest take on usability of memory test

     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0007.html

   Wilhelm: test looks OK to me - it worked well on my devices

   Kai: it works well on devices that support it
   ... but on others, you may have to edit the URL

   Wilhelm: maybe you should provide more starting values?

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to add more starting points to memory test
   [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Wilhelm: my primary device survived the highest threshold; would
   like to test it with higher limits
   ... hopefully we can do that once the test is on a W3C server

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to improve performance of memory test [recorded
   in [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action10]

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his mobile devices
   [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action11]

Web Compatibility Test

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into replacement for inputmode test
   [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

     [29] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   Wilhelm: I'm now proposing that we import a test from one of the
   JavaScript frameworks
   ... they are widely deployed, and any browser that wants to support
   the real web need to support that
   ... running one test from one of these would certainly be quite
   relevant

   Dom: sounds like a good idea; mildly concerned we might be seen as
   blessing which ever framework we choose

   Wilhelm: jquery has the best test suite as far as I can tell

   Kai: I think it's a good idea

   Wilhelm: it's a bit heavy, but goes down to 18K once gzipped

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to make a concrete proposal for jquery test
   in wctmb [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action13]

   CTION: Kai to modify the canvas test to not rely on the todata: url
   scheme [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

     [31] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to modify the canvas test to not rely on the
   todata: url scheme [recorded in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

     [32] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14

   <dom_scribe> [33]Kai's proposed fix to canvas

     [33] http://static.webvm.net/canvas/mobile-test/test.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check the new canvas test in WCTMB
   [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action15]

   <dom_scribe> [35]Updated test with new canvas test

     [35] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobile-test/

   Wilhelm: have you managed to make it fail?

   Kai: it fails when disabling javascript?

   Dom: is there a browser that we know doesn't work with canvas?

   Kai: IE

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to check that IE fails canvas test [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

Blog

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review Kai's new blog entry [recorded in
   [37]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12

   Wilhelm: sent comments to Kai

   Kai: I'll reply and post the blog

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to draft a blog post on the guidelines
   document [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18]
   [PENDING]

     [38] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18

   Carmelo: I'll post that this afternoon to the list

Agreement on test suites with OMA

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]
   [PENDING]

     [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING]

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15

Next meetings

   Dom: away on 17th and 24th

   <hendry> canvas test fails in MSIE6 on a HTC Tytyn II btw

   Wilhelm: we should still hold the teleconf
   ... I'll take care of sending the agendas

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to reply to Kai's comments on DITG [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his mobile devices
   [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to add more starting points to memory test
   [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to improve performance of memory test [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to check the new canvas test in WCTMB
   [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to make a concrete proposal for jquery test in
   wctmb [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action13]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to draft a blog post on the guidelines
   document [recorded in
   [47]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to check if we can host the memory test on a
   W3C server [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF
   [recorded in
   [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

     [47] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18
     [48] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [49] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15
     [50] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02
     [51] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to review new version of guidelines [recorded
   in [52]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to look further into memory test usability
   [recorded in
   [53]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to check that IE fails canvas test [recorded in
   [54]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-mwts-minutes.html#action16]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to modify the canvas test to not rely on the
   todata: url scheme [recorded in
   [55]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to review new version of guidelines [recorded in
   [56]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into replacement for inputmode test
   [recorded in
   [57]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to provide text for DITG based on his
   comments [recorded in
   [58]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to review Kai's new blog entry [recorded in
   [59]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [60]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

     [52] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [53] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08
     [55] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14
     [56] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [57] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [59] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12
     [60] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

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