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From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:27:04 +0100
To: public-mwts@w3.org
Message-Id: <1233678424.6841.1937.camel@localhost>

Hi,

The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

03 Feb 2009

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0000.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Carmelo, Kai, Dom, Wilhelm

   Regrets
   Chair
          Wilhelm

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Widgets testing
         2. [6]Device independent testing guidelines
         3. [7]Memory Test
         4. [8]Web Compatibility Test
         5. [9]Blog
         6. [10]Agreement on test suites with OMA
         7. [11]Next meeting
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

Widgets testing

   <dom_scribe> [13]Widgets test suite

     [13] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets/tests/

   Wilhelm: I've pinged Robert - he had been away for a few days; he'll
   respond shortly

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF [recorded
   in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING]

     [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   Kai: I need to push an update to the CVS server

Device independent testing guidelines

   <dom_scribe> [15]DITG

     [15] http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review new version of guidelines
   [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

     [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   <dom_scribe> [17]Wilhelm's comments

     [17] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.uor8q0n4m3w6te@kugalskapet

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to review new version of guidelines
   [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING]

     [18] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to review new version of guidelines [recorded
   in [19]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [19] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Kai: I've made a bunch of notes, but haven't sent them yet - will
   follow up to your mail

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to provide text for DITG based on his
   comments [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

Memory Test

   <dom_scribe> [21]Memory test

     [21] http://static.webvm.net/json

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if we can host the memory test on a
   W3C server [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to make success message in memory test more
   userfriendly [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]

     [23] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action10

   Kai: I changed the message, but I'm not too sure it's much more user
   friendly

   Dom: some problems when going up in the memory scale - the highest
   page is not rendered on my palm

   Kai: not too sure how to work around that; maybe need to make going
   up and down by clicking rather than automatically
   ... I'll look into it

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to look further into memory test usability
   [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]

   Wilhelm: also, having the front page listing some reasonable values
   could be useful

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his devices [recorded
   in [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING]

     [25] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08

   Dom: started, but want to test more and report

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Wilhelm: will do that tomorrow

   Kai: I have tested it on a few devices now
   ... most mobile devices do reasonably well
   ... I think we shouldn't overrate the memory limitation problem
   ... in the guidelines - it's likely not a big problem

   Dom: we actually hit that problem in some of our test reviews: the
   javascript performance tests, the DOM Level test, etc

   Wilhelm: there are different problems that big memory usage can
   bring: stop the page loading, but also making the browser horribly
   sluggish
   ... e.g. a popular Norway web site with a 1.5 MB homepage

   <wilhelm> dontgoto://www.sina.com.cn/

Web Compatibility Test

   <dom_scribe> [27]WCTMB

     [27] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobile-test/

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to push forward with finding a replacement for
   the inputmode test [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07

   Kai: wrote a blog entry on this - don't intend to put more thoughts
   for the time being :)

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review Kai's new blog entry [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into replacement for inputmode test
   [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING]

     [30] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   Wilhelm: have ideas, but haven't had the time to implement them

   <dom_scribe> [31]canvas test and todata: URL usage

     [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jan/0025.html

   Kai: don't know too much about todata: URL - I know it's in the
   HTML5 spec
   ... there seems to be security problems with it
   ... not sure why opera is the only one that seems to do it properly

   Wilhelm: not sure what the security implications are
   ... the goal is to allow for 'saving' what gets drawn through canvas

   <wilhelm> [32]http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08-paintr21

     [32] http://annevankesteren.nl/2006/08-paintr21

   Dom: do we really need it for that test?

   wilhelm: depends on what we want to test
   ... if we only want to test the drawing aspect, we probably don't
   need it

   Dom: I would suggest we should stick to simple canvas, without
   todata: - not too sure how well it is specified anyway

   RESOLUTION: remove todata: url from the canvas test

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to modify the canvas test to not rely on the
   todata: url scheme [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14]

   Wilhelm: feel free to ping me if you need help

Blog

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to prepare a blog post [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]

     [34] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action17

   Wilhelm: Any suggestion for the next topic?
   ... Maybe a post on the guidelines document?

   Kai: sounds good

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to draft a post on the guidelines document
   [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on the blog comment re HTTPS
   [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action18] [DONE]

     [36] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action18

   <dom_scribe> [37]Wilhelm's response to blog

     [37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/blog/2009/01/19/what_s_measured_improves_1#c4108

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to draft a blog post on the guidelines
   document [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18]

Agreement on test suites with OMA

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]
   [PENDING]

     [39] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING]

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15

Next meeting

   February 10th

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to draft a blog post on the guidelines
   document [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action18]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to draft a post on the guidelines document
   [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action16]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to look further into memory test usability
   [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to modify the canvas test to not rely on the
   todata: url scheme [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to provide text for DITG based on his comments
   [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to review Kai's new blog entry [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2009/02/03-mwts-minutes.html#action12]

   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to review new version of guidelines
   [recorded in
   [47]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to check if we can host the memory test on a
   W3C server [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [50]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Kai to continue integrating his tests WTF
   [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Kai to review new version of guidelines [recorded
   in [52]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into replacement for inputmode
   test [recorded in
   [53]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to run the memory test on his devices
   [recorded in
   [54]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [55]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

     [47] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action06
     [48] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09
     [49] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15
     [50] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08
     [51] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02
     [52] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [53] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [54] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [55] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16

   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to make success message in memory test more
   userfriendly [recorded in
   [56]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to prepare a blog post [recorded in
   [57]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action17]
   [DONE] ACTION: Kai to push forward with finding a replacement for
   the inputmode test [recorded in
   [58]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on the blog comment re HTTPS
   [recorded in
   [59]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action18]
   [DONE] ACTION: Wilhelm to review new version of guidelines [recorded
   in [60]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action05]

     [56] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action10
     [57] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action17
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mwts-minutes.html#action07
     [59] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action18
     [60] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   [End of minutes]
 
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