[minutes] Tue Nov 18 teleconf

Hi,

The minutes of our teleconf held today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html
linked from
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/

and copied as text below.

Dom

                MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

18 Nov 2008

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Nov/0003.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          wilhelm, dom, Kai, Carmelo, dmitri

   Regrets
   Chair
          dom

   Scribe
          dom

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Widgets Testing
         2. [6]Cookies test suite
         3. [7]Device Independent Testing Guidelines
         4. [8]Web Compatibility Test
         5. [9]Agreement on test suites with OMA
         6. [10]Rechartering
     * [11]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



Widgets Testing

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to
   announce his early work on testing [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

     [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   <hendry>
   [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/02
   35.html

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/0235.html

   Kai: I haven't received any answer on that yet; I'm still working on
   it, but would be useful to get feedback

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to
   the WebAppS WG Chairs [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai
   [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING]

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01

   Wilhelm: I'm looking internally to see which systems and resources
   that we can share from Opera; it's pending approval
   ... I'm trying to get more people involved

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing
   [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

Cookies test suite

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING]

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   Wilhelm: made some progress

   Kai: have you noticed on the new windows mobile browser screenshot
   of the WCT that it is failing the cookies test?

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies
   test [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

   Kai: I'm surprised that it passed the contenteditable and inputmode
   tests

   Wilhelm: I can make tests that actually use these features to check

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage
   of contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action07]

Device Independent Testing Guidelines

   <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the
   comments received so far [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING]

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   Carmelo: I've put up an updated version in the repository

   <hendry> link? to diff? :P

   Carmelo: Someone suggested to add examples to the guidelines
   ... if anyone has actual examples to suggest as a basis for
   inspiration, this would be great

   <hendry> [21]http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html

     [21] http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html

   -> [22]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html
   CVS

     [22] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09]

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action10]

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an
   example?) [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action11]

Web Compatibility Test

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on
   W3C site [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   [27]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/

     [27] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release
   on web compatibility test [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING]

     [28] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05

   Dom: seems like making a press release out of the blue would be a
   bit awkward
   ... didn't hear much enthusiasm about doing a technical report last
   time
   ... we could piggy back on a related event, but not sure what

   Kai: we could review the leading browsers through the test
   ... and publish that as a state of the industry

   dom: we need to remain vendors neutral
   ... but we could do a more in depth analysis of the current state of
   the market

   kai: like that idea; would be worth doing on a regular basis too
   ... I'm happy to contribute screenshots as I take them

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper
   on WCTMB [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action14]

Agreement on test suites with OMA

   <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report
   [recorded in
   [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]

   Wilhelm: we need to make sure that their tests are correct

   <scribe> ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

Rechartering

   ->
   [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2008Nov/0002.htm
   l Rechartering

     [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2008Nov/0002.html

   -> [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/mwi-test-charter.html proposed new
   charter

     [33] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/mwi-test-charter.html

   Kai: the mission sounded too hardcore compared to what we actually
   do

   <scribe> ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter
   [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action17]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look back at OMA situation and report [recorded
   in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action15]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to raise visibility on Kai's work on widgets to
   the WebAppS WG Chairs [recorded in
   [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to review Kai's work on widgets testing [recorded
   in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to contribute to the di guidelines (an example?)
   [recorded in
   [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action11]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to forward his notes to the webapps list and to
   announce his early work on testing [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to investigate why IE Mobile fais the cookies test
   [recorded in
   [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to propose a first "draft" of the white paper on
   WCTMB [recorded in
   [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action14]
   [NEW] ACTION: Kai to suggest improved wording for the charter
   [recorded in
   [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action17]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to provide test cases showing actual usage of
   contenteditable and inputmode for IE Mobile testing [recorded in
   [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to review the di guidelines [recorded in
   [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Wilhem to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites
   [recorded in
   [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/18-mwts-minutes.html#action16]

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action02

   [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to update the di guidelines based on the
   comments received so far [recorded in
   [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to check about requirements for press release
   on web compatibility test [recorded in
   [48]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to follow up on widgets testing with Kai
   [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for
   cookies [recorded in
   [50]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04]

     [47] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-mwts-minutes.html#action04
     [48] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action05
     [49] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action01
     [50] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04

   [DONE] ACTION: Dom to make it easier to get to wct from /Mobile on
   W3C site [recorded in
   [51]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06]

     [51] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/04-mwts-minutes.html#action06

   [End of minutes]

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