- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:01:08 +0200
- To: public-mwts <public-mwts@w3.org>
Hi, The minutes of our call today are available at: http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html linked from: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/ and copied as text below. Dom [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf 03 Jun 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0000.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc Attendees Present Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry Regrets Dmitri Chair Dom Scribe dom Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers 2. [6]Charter extension * [7]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers General feedback <dom_scribe> [8]Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering the test [8] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/wctmb/ Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which browsers passed or not <dom_scribe> [9]First results of Web Compatibility Test [9] http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/04/22/first_results_of_web_compatibility_test HTTPS test <scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] [recorded in [10]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01] Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server ... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't affect so many people WURFL <dom_scribe> [11]Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0040.html <scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02] Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that the data are not collected in a machine readable format ... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though ... will reply to the commenter contenteditable ACTION: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute" [CLOSED] <dom_scribe> [13]Fixing contenteditable attribute [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008May/0014.html <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03] serving the test through PHP Dom: we can use PHP on the main W3C server (www.w3.org), but then we would lose the advantage of the public CVS repository; I'll look to see if I can find a way to have the test served from www.w3.org directly from the repository, with the user agent string automatically added. <scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04] <hendry> sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good too. [16]CVSWeb view of WCTMB [16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/mobile-test/ Improving test documentation Wilhelm: given that we only test superficially most technologies, the idea was to link to further testing from the documentation; I've provided an example of what I had in mind for the first two tests. Dom: looks good to me Wilhelm: I'll complete the list, then. <scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05] @media handheld [18]Kai's question on @media handheld [18] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260805210227p6ea4ff6cxc4f11e182527b46e@mail.gmail.com Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with Wilhelm Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default; so, our stylesheet is associated with the media handheld, but we don't test that browsers specifically apply the @media handheld Dom: I think it's a bit of a pity that browsers have gone away from supporting this, but I think it's probably OK we don't push for it given that we test for css media queries Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people detect fullscreen nowadays? Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to have iphone-specific stylesheets Testing for inputmode <dom_scribe> [19]a possible test for inputmode [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0005.html Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how superficial the test is Wilhelm: I vote for including Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so <scribe> ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06] Harder SVG test <dom_scribe> [21]slightly more difficult svg tests [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0035.html <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07] Color scheme unreadable for color-blind Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of unicode characters ... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than color-blind :) dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white ... by providing a separate style sheet Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too dom: we could have the images automatically generated wilhelm: we have the same problem internally ... a separate version sounds good <scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08] Additional tests Wilhem: If we include the inputmode test, we'll need 3 more tests to get a good looking grid Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test <dom_scribe> [24]Blog post on WCTMB [24] http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/04/is_your_mobile_browser_ready_f.html Kai: will try to get it covered by a couple of news sites Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog? Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson? Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions Dom: I'll ask for additional suggests in a blog post. Not too hopeful about getting concrete suggestions, but it doesn't hurt anyway. Charter extension <scribe> ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] [25] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07 Dom: I requested the extension, and I expect it'll be announced any day now. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [PENDING] ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [31] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07 [DONE] ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DROPPED] ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes]
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