- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:01:08 +0200
- To: public-mwts <public-mwts@w3.org>
Hi,
The minutes of our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html
linked from:
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/
and copied as text below.
Dom
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
03 Jun 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0000.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc
Attendees
Present
Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry
Regrets
Dmitri
Chair
Dom
Scribe
dom
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers
2. [6]Charter extension
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers
General feedback
<dom_scribe> [8]Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering
the test
[8] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/wctmb/
Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach
Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which
browsers passed or not
<dom_scribe> [9]First results of Web Compatibility Test
[9] http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/04/22/first_results_of_web_compatibility_test
HTTPS test
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the
https:// test [CLOSED] [recorded in
[10]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server
... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't
affect so many people
WURFL
<dom_scribe> [11]Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0040.html
<scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED]
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that
the data are not collected in a machine readable format
... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though
... will reply to the commenter
contenteditable
ACTION: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute"
[CLOSED]
<dom_scribe> [13]Fixing contenteditable attribute
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008May/0014.html
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable
bug [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
serving the test through PHP
Dom: we can use PHP on the main W3C server (www.w3.org), but then we
would lose the advantage of the public CVS repository; I'll look to
see if I can find a way to have the test served from www.w3.org
directly from the repository, with the user agent string
automatically added.
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user
agent appearing [PENDING] [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
<hendry> sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was
looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good
too.
[16]CVSWeb view of WCTMB
[16] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/mobile-test/
Improving test documentation
Wilhelm: given that we only test superficially most technologies,
the idea was to link to further testing from the documentation; I've
provided an example of what I had in mind for the first two tests.
Dom: looks good to me
Wilhelm: I'll complete the list, then.
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to
specs and test suites. [PENDING] [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
@media handheld
[18]Kai's question on @media handheld
[18] http://www.w3.org/mid/b24851260805210227p6ea4ff6cxc4f11e182527b46e@mail.gmail.com
Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with
Wilhelm
Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media
handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default; so, our
stylesheet is associated with the media handheld, but we don't test
that browsers specifically apply the @media handheld
Dom: I think it's a bit of a pity that browsers have gone away from
supporting this, but I think it's probably OK we don't push for it
given that we test for css media queries
Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people
detect fullscreen nowadays?
Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to
have iphone-specific stylesheets
Testing for inputmode
<dom_scribe> [19]a possible test for inputmode
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0005.html
Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be
shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it
Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how
superficial the test is
Wilhelm: I vote for including
Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for
review [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
Harder SVG test
<dom_scribe> [21]slightly more difficult svg tests
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0035.html
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
Color scheme unreadable for color-blind
Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of
unicode characters
... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than
color-blind :)
dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white
... by providing a separate style sheet
Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too
dom: we could have the images automatically generated
wilhelm: we have the same problem internally
... a separate version sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version
of the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
Additional tests
Wilhem: If we include the inputmode test, we'll need 3 more tests to
get a good looking grid
Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test
<dom_scribe> [24]Blog post on WCTMB
[24] http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/04/is_your_mobile_browser_ready_f.html
Kai: will try to get it covered by a couple of news sites
Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog?
Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson?
Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions
Dom: I'll ask for additional suggests in a blog post. Not too
hopeful about getting concrete suggestions, but it doesn't hurt
anyway.
Charter extension
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07
Dom: I requested the extension, and I expect it'll be announced any
day now.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for
review [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of
the tests with a different color scheme [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user
agent appearing [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to
specs and test suites. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07
[DONE] ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https://
test [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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