Re: framework structure proposal

Hi Bill,

> AGREE, BUT IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT THE 'VISION' FOR MW4D WILL GIVE 
> ATTENTION TO THE BROADER CONTEXT BEYOND DEVELOP AND DEPLOY NEW CONTENT 
> AND APPLICATONIS ON MOBILE DEVICES....SPECIFICALLY, I SUGGEST THAT OUR 
> VISION INCLUDE ADDRESSING THE POTENTIAL DEEPER BARRIERS TO THE MOBILE 
> WEB AS A TOOL TO ADVANCE SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT.  EXAMPLES OF THESE DEEPER 
> BARRIERS WE HAVE DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST ARE AFFORDABILITY, LITERACY, OR 
> CONNECTIVITY.   THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY 
> SUCCEED IN ENABLING MOBILE PHONES USED IN THE DEVELOPING AND EMERGING 
> WORLDS TO INCORPORATE MORE FEATURES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEB...BUT 
> IF THE BARRIERS TO ADOPTION ARE NOT ADDRESSED, I AM NOT SURE THE 
> INTENDED BENEFIT WOULD OCCUR. 

yes i agree. i try to come up with an updated vision statement. I will 
try also to incorporate the need to raise awareness as discussed in 
another mail

> 
> 2- Targets
> ----That said, talking about social and economic development, it 
> concerns more rural poor communities and under-privileged populations 
> for which specific services might improve their lives, and my opinion
> is that this should be the segment we target.
>  
> AGAIN, I AGREE...BUT IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE PRECISE ON 
> THE TARGET POPULATION.   AMONG THE RURAL POOR AND UNDER-PRIVILAGED THERE 
> ARE TWO BROAD CATEGORIES:
>  
> 1)   THOSE LIVING IN ISOLATED REGIONS WHERE MOBILE WEB CONNECTIVITY TO 
> THE INTERNET IS SIMPLY NOT A PRESENT TECHNICAL OPTION (Yes 80% of world 
> population may live within the footprint of a mobile 
> connection..BUT...the remaining 20 % represent a huge land area of the 
> world and have probably the highest concentration of the very poor) 
>  
> 2) THOSE LIVING IN REGIONS WHERE POTENTIAL MOBILE WEB CONNECTIVITY IS AN 
> OPTION, BUT FOR VARIOUS REASONS PEOPLE ARE NOT  TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WEB 
> OPPORTUNITIES (because of affordability, cultural revelance, language 
> barriers, or other reason...)

important distinction indeed.
I believe that it is not up to this group to look at the challenge of 
the so-called universal access, and connectivity. My view is that we are 
looking at using the potential pwoer of mobile phones when it is 
present, and not look at how to increase the phone coverage and 
availability. That said, we should clearly state that here.


> 4- expected output
> What is the epected output of this group in the 10-12 month timeframe ?
> I would consider a full success if at the end we have:
> - a handbook for those who would like to develop and deploy ict services 
> on mobile phones to do select the right technologies
> - a set of ressources to help in deploying services
> - a roadmap for W3C and potentially other organizations to launch 
> appropriate actions to tackle identified issues
> 
> THIS LIST OF OUTCOMES IS OKAY AND PROBABLY REALISTIC.   BUT I NOTE THE 
> OUTCOMES ARE ALL "SUPPLY SIDE"...THAT IS, DIRECTED TOWARDS HELPING THOSE 
> THAT WOULD LIKE TO DEPLOY SERVICES TO DEVELOPING REGIONS WHERE THE 
> MOBILE WEB IS NOT PRESENTLY WIDELY UTILIZED.  

We probably need to have discussion here.
My personnal view is that connecting people to the web as a goal is not 
particularly useful for the targeted population we have. What is 
important imho is to focus on how to provide services that would 
facilitate/improve people's lives.
So for me, the web as an infrastructure and repository of these services 
is perfect, and the mobile web as a technology to access these services 
is also the one which is more appropriate imho, or at least the one 
which is the most accessible. but again, the focus imho is providing 
services, and helping people, not really connecting them.

Then for now, as you are mentionning the mobile web is not really 
widespread. So clearly in the "handbook" we will describe  what is 
possible with it, and what are barriers of adoptions.
So my view is that it is part of the picture today, and it is the option 
with the biggest potential imho, but we have to put other tehcnologies 
in the picture, those who are more heavily used today.

Cheers
Stephane


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