Re: framework structure proposal

Hi Stephane,

Great start.  Below a couple of additional suggestions.

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1- Vision
What is the vision behind this group........
...
So the potential is clearly here, it has been demonstrated, but how can we
move to the next stage where it will be as easy to develop and deploy new
content or applications on mobile phones as it is e.g. today to do it on the
Web.

AGREE, BUT IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT THE 'VISION' FOR MW4D WILL GIVE
ATTENTION TO THE BROADER CONTEXT BEYOND DEVELOP AND DEPLOY NEW CONTENT AND
APPLICATONIS ON MOBILE DEVICES....SPECIFICALLY, I SUGGEST THAT OUR VISION
INCLUDE ADDRESSING THE POTENTIAL DEEPER BARRIERS TO THE MOBILE WEB AS A TOOL
TO ADVANCE SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT.  EXAMPLES OF THESE DEEPER BARRIERS WE HAVE
DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST ARE AFFORDABILITY, LITERACY, OR CONNECTIVITY.   THE
DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SUCCEED IN ENABLING MOBILE
PHONES USED IN THE DEVELOPING AND EMERGING WORLDS TO INCORPORATE MORE
FEATURES THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEB...BUT IF THE BARRIERS TO
ADOPTION ARE NOT ADDRESSED, I AM NOT SURE THE INTENDED BENEFIT WOULD OCCUR.


2- Targets
----That said, talking about social and economic development, it concerns
more rural poor communities and under-privileged populations for which
specific services might improve their lives, and my opinion
is that this should be the segment we target.

AGAIN, I AGREE...BUT IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE PRECISE ON THE
TARGET POPULATION.   AMONG THE RURAL POOR AND UNDER-PRIVILAGED THERE ARE TWO
BROAD CATEGORIES:

1)   THOSE LIVING IN ISOLATED REGIONS WHERE MOBILE WEB CONNECTIVITY TO THE
INTERNET IS SIMPLY NOT A PRESENT TECHNICAL OPTION (Yes 80% of world
population may live within the footprint of a mobile connection..BUT...the
remaining 20 % represent a huge land area of the world and have probably the
highest concentration of the very poor)

2) THOSE LIVING IN REGIONS WHERE POTENTIAL MOBILE WEB CONNECTIVITY IS AN
OPTION, BUT FOR VARIOUS REASONS PEOPLE ARE NOT  TAKING ADVANTAGE OF WEB
OPPORTUNITIES (because of affordability, cultural revelance, language
barriers, or other reason...)

I SUGGEST IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS WORKING GROUP TO BE CLEAR WHETHER OR
NOT WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE ON THE CHALLENGE OF THE FIRST GROUP (THOSE WHERE
MOBILE WEB CONNECTIVITY IS PRESENTLY NOT A TECHNICAL OPTION).  WHILE
PERSONALLY MY HEART IS WITH THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE MOST ISOLATED
REGIONS.  THEY STRUGGLE WITH MEETING BASIC HUMAN NEEDS.
HOWEVER, TECHNICAL CHALLENGE OF THAT CONTEXT IS HUGE AND INVOLVES A MUCH
LARGER SET OF ACTION ISSUES TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I AM NOT SURE IT IS REALISTIC
FOR THIS GROUP TO GO TO THAT LEVEL.  IF WE ARE UP FOR THAT LEVEL OF
CHALLENGE, GREAT.  BUT WHATEVER, THE CHOICE WE SHOULD BE EXPLICIT AND CLEAR
ABOUT THE TARGET CONTEXT AS THE PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED WILL BE DIFFERENT.


4- expected output
What is the epected output of this group in the 10-12 month timeframe ?
I would consider a full success if at the end we have:
- a handbook for those who would like to develop and deploy ict services on
mobile phones to do select the right technologies
- a set of ressources to help in deploying services
- a roadmap for W3C and potentially other organizations to launch
appropriate actions to tackle identified issues

THIS LIST OF OUTCOMES IS OKAY AND PROBABLY REALISTIC.   BUT I NOTE THE
OUTCOMES ARE ALL "SUPPLY SIDE"...THAT IS, DIRECTED TOWARDS HELPING THOSE
THAT WOULD LIKE TO DEPLOY SERVICES TO DEVELOPING REGIONS WHERE THE MOBILE
WEB IS NOT PRESENTLY WIDELY UTILIZED.

IT IS APPROPRIATE AN WISE FOR ANY GROUP TO SET BOUNDARIES TO KEEP THE WORK
REALISTIC.  SO THIS TARGETED FOCUS ON PROVIDERS OF SERVICES MAY BE NEEDED
AND APPROPRIATE.  HOWEVER, WE DO POTENTIALLY LEAVE A SUBSTANTIAL GAP IN
MAKING THE MOBILE WEB REAL FOR THE TARGET POPULATIONS BY ONLY FOCUSING ON
ACTIONS FOR PROVIDERS OF SERVICE.  IT MAY BE USEFUL FOR THIS GROUP AS A
SHORT TERM OUTCOME TO AT LEAST ARTICULATE THE BARRIERS FOR POPULATIONS
LIVING IN DEVELOPING ECONOMIES IN SUCCESSFULLY ACCESSING THE WEB. MAYBE YOU
HAVE THIS IN MIND IN THE SUGGESTED GOAL FOR THE HANDBOOK WHICH INCLUDES
"SELECTING THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGIES"?
cheers,

Bill Gillis
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