- From: Karim Ratib <karim.ratib@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:52:12 -0700
- To: SUZANNE.DOYLE@forces.gc.ca
- Cc: public-music-notation@w3.org, Eric.J.Mosterd@usd.edu, marc@outsideshore.com, steve.noble@louisville.edu, arshiacont@antescofo.com, dloksnel@gmail.com, roger@rogerfirman.co.uk, pianoweed@gmail.com
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Hello Suzanne, I am a Canadian citizen living in Vancouver, BC and I have good expertise with MusicXML and Web technologies. I'd be willing to lend a hand to this project. Feel free to contact me via email. Best, Karim On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 10:46 AM <SUZANNE.DOYLE@forces.gc.ca> wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > > > Thank you for your replies. I really appreciate it. > > > > From the email responses I read, my understanding is this is not a > straightforward process as I had hoped for as music accessibility is still > in its early stages. > > > > My goal is to follow the WCAG 2 AA rules and there doesn’t seem to be set > rules yet for sheet music other than a descriptive alt tag. (So do I leave > it at that?) > > > > The manual is for the Canadian Armed Forces musicians however the > Government of Canada follows the accessibility AA rules and the manual will > be posted on the public Canada.ca website. All military personnel including > musicians must pass a high level of medical exams including eyesight. They > are soldiers after all with musical talent. > > > > Is it a balance between making it available to the music branch personnel > especially when they travel and for the visually impaired to be able to > understand what we posted? (It seems to be a real struggle with the lack of > accessibility tools available right now.) > > > > Being a web developer, I can code in JSON but my concern is it’s time > consuming and in a very specialized field. JSON is not for the general > public or even web publishers so once I’m off this project, who would code > any changes or edits etc moving forward? But if this can be done solely > with software, it may be a viable solution. > > > > I know the pride our Canadian military has for inclusiveness and diversity > so they would love to have the Marches, Calls and Protocols fully > accessible for the blind and so would I. My question is, is it even > possible today? The project has time and financial restraints of course. > > > > Question: > > 1. Are there any crowd sourcing groups or anyone you know that would > volunteer to help make the sheet music accessible for the blind? For > example, the UK crowd sources its military history archives (they are way > more organised and advanced than most countries are). > > 2. If yes, do I provide a separate document specifically for the > blind? I’m open to all suggestions if it’s doable. > > > > I’ll review all the links and responses again and ask questions as I move > forward. Ideally, I would like to find a solution that works well for our > Canadian Government, our military Music Branch and the blind or partially > sighted persons. > > > > I’m new to music accessibility, so being aware is very important for > change especially in my capacity as a web developer. > > > > Any other suggestions or ideas, please feel free to email me. I truly > appreciate it. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Suzanne Doyle > > > > Web Developer, Directorate History and Heritage (DHH) > > National Defence | Government of Canada > > Suzanne.Doyle@forces.gc.ca / Tel: 613-290-2102 > > > > Développeur web, Histoire et patrimoine (DHP) > > Défense nationale │ Gouvernement du Canada > > Suzanne.Doyle@forces.gc.ca / Tél : 613-290-2102 > > > > *From:* Mosterd, Eric James <Eric.J.Mosterd@usd.edu> > *Sent:* March 23, 2023 10:22 AM > *To:* Marc Sabatella <marc@outsideshore.com> > *Cc:* Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@louisville.edu>; Doyle S@CMP > DHH@Ottawa-Hull <SUZANNE.DOYLE@forces.gc.ca>; public-music-notation@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: Music accessibility questions > > > > I’ll just add that converting sheet music from its native format (e.g., > Finale, Sibelius, etc.) to MusicXML does not result in a 100% accurate > reproduction. It’s somewhat akin to translating something using Google > Translate, and then translating that result back into the original > language. Also, we’ve still not figured out a good way to make score > annotations (e.g., notes from an instructor highlighting a section, > technique, piece of theory, etc.) accessible. > > > > A final note: the next “version” of MusicXML, MNX, is moving away from > XML to JSON: > > > > Changing MNX to use JSON | Music Notation Community Group > > w3.org > > [image: favicon.ico] > > > > It’s still a bit early in the process, so it is unclear what impact this > may have on accessibility but at the very least, existing XML-based > conversion tools will need to be updated to support both the new standard > and format. > > > > (sent from my phone, so forgive any typos) > ------------------------------ > > Eric Mosterd > > Assistant Director, Center for Teaching & Learning > > Manager, TechFellows Program > Adj. Professor, Music History, Dept. of Music > > > > ------------------------------ > > Regents Fellow for e-Education Initiatives > > South Dakota Board of Regents > > > > ------------------------------ > > (605) 677-5411 | Eric.J.Mosterd@usd.edu > (605) 677-6518 (fax) | http://www.mosterd.org/ > ------------------------------ > > > > On Mar 23, 2023, at 08:53, Marc Sabatella <marc@outsideshore.com> wrote: > > You don't often get email from marc@outsideshore.com. Learn why this is > important > > I can't speak to anything having to do with military standards, but I can > address the subject of accessibility of music notation in general. > > > > Braille music would be one common form of expressing music for blind > musicians. There is an ASCII format for Braille that could be used in alt > text, and I've actually been curious to try this. In principle it would > work and a blind user using a Braille display could then read the music > that way, But I could also imagine it not working very well compared to > traditionally embossed Braille, since music needs to be read in a somewhat > less linear fashion than text and the navigation possibilities for alt text > probably aren't that great. And in case, you'd still need to get the music > into Braille in the first place, which is the harder part - usually a very > manual process that requires expertise in this. > > > > MusicXML as mentioned is a great format for accessibility because it can > then either be converted to Braille via a variety of automatic and > semi-automatic tools, or it can be opened in a music notation program like > MuseScore or whatever the user in question is comfortable with, and read by > screen reader with full navigation and even playback. But, for that to > work, you won't want the MusicXML to actually be the alt text for the image > - you'll want it to be a separate file (probably a ZIP of all the MusicXML > files for all the examples). > > > > Assuming these examples were created in music notation software, then > exporting to MusicXML would be simple enough. So if it passes muster to > include a ZIP of MusicXML files for your examples, that's almost certainly > the most *useful* option. If on the other hand the music was simply > scanned from a print rather than generated via music notation software, > it's going to be process getting all that music entered. > > > > Marc > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:03 AM Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@louisville.edu> > wrote: > > Some years back, I was involved with the Benetech DIAGRAM Project, and we > created the Accessible Image Sample Book: > http://diagramcenter.org/standards-and-practices/accessible-image-sample-book.html > > > > We looked at how to include a variety of content in digital format in an > accessible manner. We included a section on music, in which we generally > recommended MusicXML to support music accessibility. MusicXML is supported > in music-aware braille translation software and can be coupled with braille > displays and speech-access systems. MusicXML is also widely supported by > music notation software that can create enlarged notation to be viewed on > the screen or printed. This allows further manipulation of the music > notation, audible playback in real time using synthetic music, or export to > standard audio formats. > > > > To go direct to the Music section, the web excerpt is at > http://diagramcenter.wpengine.com/samplebook/08-Music.xhtml > > > > However, I would suggest you take the time to check out the resources > mentioned on the sample book landing page (the first link I shared), where > you will find a link to a webinar we did as well as a link to the GitHub > repository where all the source files can be found. > > > > --Steve Noble > steve.noble@louisville.edu > 502-969-3088 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* SUZANNE.DOYLE@forces.gc.ca <SUZANNE.DOYLE@forces.gc.ca> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2023 6:44 PM > *To:* public-music-notation@w3.org <public-music-notation@w3.org> > *Subject:* Music accessibility questions > > > > Good afternoon, > > > > I am a web developer working with the Music Branch at the Canadian Armed > Forces to produce their Music Branch manual online. (I’m not a musician.) > > > > Volume 1 of the manual is almost complete and will be WCAG AA compliant > for the web as HTML and I will provide an accessible PDF downloadable > document. (I have no issues with regular content.) > > > > The issue is Volume 2 of the manual, it contains mostly images of sheet > music with musical notes for Marches, Calls and Protocols content. > > > > Normally, I code an image with a descriptive alt tag or provide a long > alternative text version under the image. I don’t think this would work in > this case as three quarters of Volume 2 are images which means over a > hundred pages of sheet music. The descriptive text for the musical notes > would add at least 100 pages more. This wouldn’t make sense online or in a > PDF document plus the time and money it would take to write and incorporate > all that descriptive text. The problem would be that the military musicians > would do without the online manual, and they travel so this is not a > solution. > > > > Can you please guide me on how to create sheet music and musical notes > that are WCAG 2 compliant for HTML and for a PDF document? What tools and > or software are available plus how do I test it? I’ve searched online and > really can’t find anything that’s helpful or concrete. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Suzanne Doyle > > > > Web Developer, Directorate History and Heritage (DHH) > > National Defence | Government of Canada > > Suzanne.Doyle@forces.gc.ca / Tel: 613-290-2102 > > > > Développeur web, Histoire et patrimoine (DHP) > > Défense nationale │ Gouvernement du Canada > > Suzanne.Doyle@forces.gc.ca / Tél : 613-290-2102 > > > > > > > -- > > Marc Sabatella > marc@outsideshore.com >
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