Re: pitch of notes when staff-lines = 1

That could work. It removes the pitch semantics associated with
step/octave, while still constraining elements to correct visual
positioning.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Joe Berkovitz <joe@noteflight.com> wrote:

> If we did use Y -- and I am not saying it's a good idea yet -- then it
> would be more than just saying "put this note glyph at this Y coordinate".
> It would be a semantic attribute specifying the staff position of the note
> as a Y coordinate restricted to multiples of 0.5. Ledger lines would be
> implied of this placed the note on a line required their use.
>
> .            .       .    .  . ...Joe
>
> Joe Berkovitz
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Jeremy Sawruk <jeremy.sawruk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>> Quick question: if we used y coordinate on unpitched staffs, how would
>> ledger lines be supported? Unpitched staffs can have ledger lines (e.g.
>> crash cymbal), so this might be part of the rationale for using step/octave
>> rather than Y coordinate. I can certainly see the way in which it does not
>> make sense to have step/octave on an unpitched staff, but I just want to
>> make sure we still support ledger lines in those situations.
>>
>> J. Sawruk
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:20 AM Joe Berkovitz <joe@noteflight.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Thinking about MNX here, what was the rationale behind using step/octave
>>> rather than a Y coordinate for an unpitched staff? I am sure there is a
>>> reason but I don't know it, and one point of view could be that step and
>>> octave are not concepts that make sense on an unpitched staff.
>>>
>>> .            .       .    .  . ...Joe
>>>
>>> Joe Berkovitz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Michael Good <mgood@makemusic.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI James,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the “if not present” refers to the unpitched element. And yes, it
>>>> is an error to place pitched notes on a staff with a percussion clef,
>>>> though I think many importers will handle that gracefully.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 11:55 AM, James Sutton <jsutton@dolphin-com.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Michael,
>>>>
>>>> Just for complete clarity.
>>>>
>>>> 1. "If not present". Does this refer to the percussion clef or the
>>>> display-step elements?
>>>> 2. Is it an error to place pitched notes on a staff with percussion
>>>> clef?
>>>>
>>>> best regards
>>>> James Sutton
>>>> Dolphin Computing
>>>> http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk
>>>> http://www.seescore.co.uk <http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk/>
>>>> http://www.playscore.co <http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 17:15, Michael Good <mgood@makemusic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi James,
>>>>
>>>> This is documented in the MusicXML tutorial at
>>>> http://www.musicxml.com/tutorial/percussion/staff-lines/. It is
>>>> also in the XSD documentation for the display-step-octave group: "If
>>>> percussion clef is used, the display-step and display-octave elements are
>>>> interpreted as if in treble clef, with a G in octave 4 on line 2. If not
>>>> present, the note is placed on the middle line of the staff, generally used
>>>> for a one-line staff.” The tutorial includes some examples.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if this still seem unclear.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> Michael Good
>>>> VP of MusicXML Technologies
>>>> MakeMusic, Inc.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:57 AM, James Sutton <jsutton@dolphin-com.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the rule for placing pitched notes on a staff with staff-lines
>>>> < 5 with a percussion clef (not TAB)?
>>>> I cannot find this anywhere in the documentation
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> James Sutton
>>>> Dolphin Computing
>>>> http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk
>>>> http://www.seescore.co.uk <http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk/>
>>>> http://www.playscore.co <http://www.dolphin-com.co.uk/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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