[w3c/smufl] traditional Japanese music notation

Hi Daniel, Razvan, all,

Daniel: Below is a complete SMuFL thread from 
public-music-notation@w3.org. Maybe you missed Razvan's first posting? 
I've now given the thread a [w3c/smufl] tag... (Everyone: Please read 
his first post carefully again, if you haven't already!)

In reply to Razvan's latest post :
I think its important to have a standard layout for Asian fonts. This 
/*W3C*/ Community Group, can't just ignore them.
My own feeling is that they should be included parallel to the Medieval 
and Renaissance glyphs in §4.79- §4.91 of
http://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/index.html [1]

Most Asian symbols can, I think, simply be classed as noteheads.
Razvan: Am I right?
(See also http://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/specification/classes.html.)
For which other Western glyph categories do you have symbols?
Have you got any symbols that are not in these classes? If so, what are 
they for?

Maybe we should open a new GitHub issue at 
https://github.com/w3c/smufl/issues: "Proposal to encode Asian symbols"?

All the best,
James

[1] I pointed out below that 
https://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/index.html is self-contradictory. 
The same is true of the README at https://github.com/w3c/smufl:
> SMuFL is a specification that provides a standard way of mapping the 
> thousands of musical symbols required by /*conventional music notation*/
  and
> for the benefit of /*all users of music notation software*/
I'd just delete the word "conventional" in the first sentence. Medieval 
and Renaissance glyphs are also not "conventional" (i.e. Common Western 
Music Notation). Neither are the Electronic music pictograms in §4.96...
j



Am 08.11.2016 um 03:35 schrieb Razvan BEURAN:
>
> Dear James Ingram,
>
> I totally agree with you that there should be a section in SMuFL 
> dedicated to Asian music symbols. I am not sure whether there is any 
> one person that is an expert on all Asian music though.
>
> For sure I could help with shakuhachi notation in Japan, and I would 
> be happy to hear whether there are any other interested people in this 
> group who want to get involved.
>
> Any advice on how to move forward in this respect would be appreciated.
>
> Best wishes,
> Razvan
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is really Daniel Spreadbury's department, but I'd like to add my
>> two cents. :-)
>>
>> https://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/index.html
>> seems to be self-contradictory.
>> §1 restricts SMuFL to "conventional music notation":
>>> SMuFL is a specification that provides a standard way of mapping the
>>> thousands of musical symbols required by conventional music notation
>>> into the Private Use Area in Unicode’s Basic Multilingual Plane for a
>>> single (format-independent) font.
>> while §2 says SMuFL should be "for the benefit of all users of music
>> notation software":
>>> The goal of SMuFL is to establish a new standard glyph mapping for
>>> musical symbols that is optimised for modern font formats and that can
>>> be adopted by a variety of software vendors and font designers, for
>>> the benefit of all users of music notation software.
>>
>> IMHO §1 needs revising. There /should/ be a section in SMuFL dedicated
>> to Asian music symbols.
>> However, deciding how to organize that section needs input from the
>> domain experts. Perhaps Razvan Beuran could help there. For example, do
>> /all/ Asian music notations have symbols with similar meanings? How
>> could they be meaningfully categorized? Do the different Asian notations
>> need sections of their own or not?
>>
>> All the best,
>> James Ingram
>>
>>
>> Am 31.10.2016 um 15:18 schrieb Razvan BEURAN:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Razvan Beuran and I am developing software that
>>> automatically converts music from Western notation to traditional
>>> Japanese notation (such as shakuhachi, koto, shamisen):
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/razvanswebsite/software
>>>
>>> For this purpose I have found the need to create some fonts for
>>> representing the traditional Japanese notations, and I am midway in
>>> achieving this goal.
>>>
>>> Recently I have found out about the SMuFL project. When checking the
>>> current version I discovered that this kind of notation is not covered
>>> at all, however it would be very useful for me and the other people
>>> involved in this kind of activities (not many, I admit).
>>>
>>> I am contacting you to see if there is interest in extending SMuFL to
>>> cover traditional Japanese music notation. I am knowledgeable
>>> especially about the Tozan shakuhachi notation, which could be a good
>>> start. Moreover, the Tozan school publishes an official manual (in
>>> Japanese) which could serve as reference.
>>>
>>> In case such an interest exists, I would like to know how I should
>>> proceed, since I have not much experience with standardization in
>>> general and SMuFL in particular.
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your reply.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Razvan Beuran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


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