Re: Trill fonts (Whole step trill, and Half-step trill, ligatures, and turns?)

Dear Daniel
Thank you for your input.
>>that the user would want the font for these charactersto follow the text fonts otherwise in use for the score. 
Personally, I would like to see the glyph (s) to be added in the supplementary range like other trill notation with sharp/flat/natural on top of it (not next to it, for the reason that it uses more horizontal space.). Whether "W" "H" or "1/2" are appropriate or not is matter of discussion, but the appearance rules follow the general notation rules about the trill/turn notation. And more over, if it is added to the SMuFL, it hugely relieve the scoring and commercial copying community by eliminating the need to apply special customized font...

Plus, I personally believe that if the notation software were able to recognize this way of notating the trill, I believe composers start to use this way of trill notation rather than traditional way (especially for those who doesn't use key signature for score and parts).  ;)  


Sincerely Yours

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Kentaro Sato (Ken-P)
Composer & Conductor
Wiseman Project LLC/GK (President & CEO)
http://www.wisemanproject.com
kentaro.sato@yahoo.com
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      From: Daniel Spreadbury <D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de>
 To: "public-music-notation-contrib@w3.org" <public-music-notation-contrib@w3.org> 
Cc: Kentaro Sato (Ken-P) <kentaro.sato@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Trill fonts (Whole step trill, and Half-step trill, ligatures, and turns?)
   
Thanks for raising this issue, Kentaro.

I agree that these notations are usedin commercial copying. I believe that they have arisen out of the factthat scoring software cannot typically display the appropriate accidentalalong with the trill based on the note to which the trill is applied, andthe current transposition (which may result in the same trill needing todisplay different accidentals in different contexts), and this notationis a way of displaying the trill interval in a simple and reliable way.

The question, I think, is whether itmakes sense to add "W", "H", and "1/2" tothe 'Ornaments' range (or a new supplemental range if necessary), giventhat these characters are widely available in any text font and it is possible,if not probable, that the user would want the font for these charactersto follow the text fonts otherwise in use for the score.

My inclination is that we should notadd these glyphs to SMuFL on this basis, but of course there is precedentfor doing it the other way (e.g. the "D.C.." et al. charactersthat were inherited from the existing musical symbols Unicode range).

I welcome feedback from the communityabout this issue.

Daniel



From:       "Kentaro Sato(Ken-P)" <kentaro.sato@yahoo.com>
To:       "public-music-notation-contrib@w3.org"<public-music-notation-contrib@w3.org>
Date:       28/09/2017 16:05
Subject:       Trill fonts(Whole step trill, and Half-step trill, ligatures, and  turns?)



Dear All

As the number of film/game/TV cues written in concertC key has increased, many scoring composers and orchestrators have startedto use trill notation which specifies the interval (a whole step or a halfstep) rather than using sharp/natural/flat or with a small destinationnote. I had found this whole-step and half-step trill notation to be veryuseful, and I would like the community to think this issue. 

The main idea is to use "tr" with "W""H" or "1/2".  "W" is for whole-notetrill, and "H" or "1/2" are for half-step trill. 

I have personally use "W" and "1/2,"and put those above the "tr" since that use less horizontal space.
However, I have seen "W" "H" or "1/2"placed after "tr." 

So, my questions are

1) Whether this issue to be considered or not.
2) If yes, whether "W" "H" or "1/2"are best way for specifying trill intervals for international music communityin mind. 
3) Where those additional characters to be placed? Above"tr", next to "tr", or other?
4) Whether these additional characters to be used for"turn notation" for recommended ligatures. Please refer to recommendedligatures at https://w3c.github.io/smufl/gitbook/tables/common-ornaments.html

Thank you for your consideration, and here is examples!



 
Sincerely Yours

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Kentaro Sato (Ken-P)
Composer & Conductor
Wiseman Project LLC/GK (President & CEO)
http://www.wisemanproject.com
kentaro.sato@yahoo.com
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