- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:36:01 +0200
- To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Hi all,
today's minutes are at
http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html
and below as text.
Best,
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
MLW-LT WG
26 Jun 2013
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
felix, omstefanov, davelewis, Des, Jirka, chriLi, joerg,
dF, Yves, Ankit, leroy, pnietoca, Pedro
Regrets
tadej
Chair
felix
Scribe
daveL
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Conflicts between paramters
2. [6]PR publication
3. [7]Vote for PR publication
4. [8]presentation from adobe on current implementation
5. [9]Next steps in July
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<fsasaki> agenda is here
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2013Jun/0102.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0102.html
<omstefanov> unless I missed something it appears that the
implementation conformance list has only green OK entries. if
so, congrats, everyone.
Conflicts between paramters
no comments on agenda
<fsasaki>
[12]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/130
[12]
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/130
renat had asked about precedence of its:params
<fsasaki>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2013Jun/0103.html
[13]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0103.html
felix: jirka confirmed the precedence rules as already defined
<fsasaki>
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#selection-precedence
[14]
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selection-precedence
<fsasaki>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#html5-selection-precedence
[15]
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#html5-selection-precedence
felix: but pointed out that the behaviour in the case of
clashing parameter names was not addressed
<fsasaki> "In case of conflicts between global selections via
multiple rules elements or conflicts between multiple param
elements with the same name, the last rule or last param
element has higher precedence."
jirka: agrees proposal is fine
yves: agrees also
<fsasaki> issue-130 can be closed with this edit
PR publication
<fsasaki>
[16]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb
-lt/2013Jun/0000.html
[16]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0000.html
<omstefanov_2> felix, I can't open this ...
<omstefanov_2> could I get it in a temp way?
<fsasaki>
[17]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb
-lt/2013Jun/0002.html (member only link, can be opened only
with W3C member account)
[17]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-multilingualweb-lt/2013Jun/0002.html
<fsasaki> "5. Evidence That Dependencies With Other Groups
Met:"
felix: this is a formal email communicating our activities to
presenting spec for next stage
... one issue
<fsasaki>
[18]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasi
ng-content
[18]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#phrasing-content
<fsasaki>
[19]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#the-tr
anslate-attribute
[19]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/dom.html#the-translate-attribute
<fsasaki>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-mlw-lt-minutes#item04
[20] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-mlw-lt-minutes#item04
felix: we use references from HTML5.1 definitions at above URLs
... as recommended in this call.
... but the issue is that all normative references are
reocmmendations, but HTML5 and HTML5.1 are not yet
recommendation
... this is a common unsolved problems with many specs that
refernce HTML5
... but there is a workaround.
... workaround involves stating that the implementation is
stable based on test results
... so that in PR phase that the HTML5 draft uses to phrasing
(already in place) and translate definitions from html5.1
jorg: is this the usual approach in w3c
felix: usually we try and avoid these issues, but we are the
same as some other groups that we need such a reference
... our task is then to get that stability in HTML5
<fsasaki>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20-implementation-report.html#Translateconformance-over
view
[21]
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html#Translateconformance-overview
felix: so we go to HTML WG with above evidence of working
implementations
dave: how quick might they respond?
felix: hope they will respond and make changes in 4 weeks, so
its really workload on HTML5 editor
dave: do you think any in HMTL5 WG will disagree
felix: don't think so since main resolution of topics is based
on working impelmentations at this stage in the HMTL5 WG
jorg: letter need to have pub date corrected, currently 'jun 2'
Vote for PR publication
jirka: another point, in spec we are inconsistent in
typographic changes
felix: dave, david and i have called scheduled with w3c
managmeent on friday
jirka: will aim to correct this beofre then
felix: call for vote of progress to next stage
... publishing proposed recommendation draft
christian: procedural question, do we have a quorum for a vote?
felix: we have 13 people on call, but there is not a formal
number required on the call
... but will mail list say the result of the call and giving 48
hour to voice opinion
christian: would like to abstain
dF: is it a vote or cencensus
felix: we aim for consensus
dF: vote to publish
des: asks is 2 implementaitons is a pre-requisite for the vote
felix; not for the vote, but can't move forward without this
<fsasaki>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20-implementation-report.html
[22]
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20-implementation-report.html
scribe: but we have at least two implementations tested for
each feature, whcih is sufficient to progress
... which doens't count implementation committments
... note yet tested
<Ankit> +1
<leroy> +1
+1
<Des> +1
<Yves_> +1 for publication
<dF> +1
<pnietoca> +1
<joerg> +1
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to write mail to public list making
people aware of vote for PR [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-551 - Write mail to public list
making people aware of vote for PR [on Felix Sasaki - due
2013-07-03].
felix: asks for people to vote +1 on IRC for publishing
<fsasaki> deadline for comments: Friday 1 p.m. UTC
<omstefanov_2> +1 (if public members count)
presentation from adobe on current implementation
des: ... update on presentation from last month
... implementation based on apache jackrabbit sling layer
... future work will have authoring in upper layers
... integrated okapi into sling, just started impelmentaiton,
with translate
... shows early demo via screen share
... shows sling/jcr content management and import html file
with ITs annotations
... where jcr exposes document node structure
-- sling allows integration of servelt for specific processing
through manipulation of URL, i.e. adding an 'its' element to
URL
scribe: also offers a json mapping
... shows remaining timeline, on track for planned completion
date, will include XLIFF support
... plan to submit source to apache
felix: asks to clarify where the meta-data is created
des: meta-data gets expanded at the input stage, i.e. where the
rules are evaluated, so the global rule are parsed and applied
to the JCR rerpesentation
felix: suggest that in demo have one person creating the rule
and another creating the content
<fsasaki> daveL: will we also support external rules?
<fsasaki> des: yes, external to the file
dave: are you planning to include extern rules files
<fsasaki> .. that is what we will support. It will not be
external to the system
<omstefanov_2> thanks, Des. Nice presentation
Next steps in July
felix: we had schedule init presentaiton, but sebastian is not
on call, will follow up next week
... hope that frmo next week onward we can open up call to ITS
IG for discuss best practice discussions
<fsasaki>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
felix: asks if this is ok with everyone
<dF> +1
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking
etc. [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-552 - Prepare ITS IG for minute
taking etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-07-03].
dave; asks if minutes then under IG wiki
felix: yes
felix: if everything goes Ok, PR stage will end end july into
august
... so in dublin we mentioned preparing some showcase
recordings
... and if anyone has guidelines to prepare these (christian
mentioned he might have some)
felix; asks jorg if he could introduce IG call to
interoperability now initiative.
jorg: agrees
felix: aob
pedro: for IG will eveyone on WG list need to move themselves
to IG
<fsasaki>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/
<omstefanov_2> does this include persons such we me?
felix; no, i have taken the liberty of moving everyone to IG
<omstefanov_2> thanks, Felix!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: felix to prepare ITS IG for minute taking etc.
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to write mail to public list making people
aware of vote for PR [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/26-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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