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RE: [Minutes, action items and "use cases" high level summary] 2013-02-13

From: Lieske, Christian <christian.lieske@sap.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:59:30 +0100
To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
CC: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Message-ID: <8EA44C66E2911C4AB21558F4720695DC60E0C8E271@DEWDFECCR01.wdf.sap.corp>
Hi Felix,

Looking at


I was wondering if the publication as a first draft would also require things such as

1.       "This version", "Latest Version"

2.       Editors

3.       "Abstract", "About this Document"

4.       Change from Wiki markup to (X)HTML

If so: How and by when would this need to be addressed?


From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2013 17:26
To: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Subject: [Minutes, action items and "use cases" high level summary] 2013-02-13

Hi all,

Minutes of today's call are at
and below as text. We re-distributed a lot of action items. All, please have a look and protest if you don't get to doing your action items. Esp. at Yves and Jirka: we gave you various co-editing related action items, please have a look.

We also discussed the upcoming publication of
Christian noted that the subsections related to implementations, e.g.
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#More_Information_and_Implementation_Status.2FIssues_2 might become out of date over time. So before finalizing the publication (note that the upcoming publication is only a first draft), we should decide what to do about these subsections.




      [1] http://www.w3.org/

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                 MLW-lT Phone call 13,2,2013 13.00 UTC

13 Feb 2013

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-irc



          Ankit, DaveLewis, Karl, shaunm, leroy, omstefanov,

          philr, Naoto, felix, dF, Milan, Pedro, tadej, cweins


          jirka, Dom, Jorge, Yves, Pablo






     * [3]Topics

         1. [4]1) Action item and issue re-distribution

     * [5]Summary of Action Items


1) Action item and issue re-distribution




      [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0066.html



      [7] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open



      [8] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open




      [9] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open

   We start with open action items.

   DaveL says lots are assigned to Felix, so we need volunteers to


   Action-215 (Generate a sample of testing involving XLIFF) David

   Filip has prepared some samples.

   At last meeting it was decided we need more samples, daveL made

   some, with Leroy, and after testing they will be put up

   daveL is closing action item 215

   Action-251 (make the necessary steps for the mime type section

   during last call mentioned at

   [10]http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype) to Felix

   still open

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype)

   Action 277 (Color-code cells in Mappings table dependent on

   unstable ITS categories or in XLIFF) to David Filip is still

   ongoing as we still need work on XLIFF

   <trackbot> Error finding '277'. You can review and register

   nicknames at



     [11] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users%3E.

   DaveL is willing to take over Action-310 (Go through the

   document and check data category naming (capital first letter

   plus hyperlink)



   ctions/310 now daveL

     [12] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310

   Action-333 (Check if the tables in the draft can get a caption

   and numbering (might need change to odd and xslt) DaveL is

   asking whether anyone other than Felix, from editors is on the





     [13] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333

   Shaunm will take over Action-333



   ctions/333 now shaun

     [14] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333

   Jirka has agreed to take over action-341 (check syntax

   highlighting of html examples with focus on quotes)

   ACTION-356 (Draft non-normative definition of "annotation")

   sill open with Christian L



   ctions/341 now jirka

     [15] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/341

   Action-377 (provide rewrite of section 1 and 2 by mid Jan,

   taking editoral comments in issue-61 into account)

   David F to get involved with Action-377 (with Christian L)

   ACTION-378 (provide an example for clarified "uncategorized"

   quality issue type value, see 2) at


   lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60) with Arle L - DaveL

   believes this is resolved

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html

   Felix indicates that Arle wanted to make a clarification. Still

   needs to be implemented (the clarification)

   Action-379 (provide an update of the mapping "quality issue

   type values to existing tool values", see 3) at


   lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60)

     [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html

   This is a non-normative topic that still needs to be updated

   (by Arle)



   ctions/381 now daveL

     [18] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/381

   Action-381: DaveL is willing to take over from Felix. (Come

   back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned




     [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html)

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-381 Come back to "relation

   between data categories" examples mentioned at



     [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html.

   Action-385 (Shaun McC) Work on regex for validating regex

   subset proposal)

   On this, Felix had errors using Oxygen. Shaun will look in.

   Action-389 (Felix) (Change example on its-tool-annotation).

   DaveL will take over from Felix.



   ctions/389 now daveL

     [21] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/389




     [22] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/390

   Action-390 (check disambig examples and test suite with regards

   to presence of annotatorsRef). Tadej says examples are all


   omstefanov suggests referring to "disambig" as "text

   annotation" throughout further MLW-LT WG

   DaveL says Tadej should assist editors here

   Action-389 - DaveL will take over from Felix

   Action-390 remains open, with Tadej

   Action-392: Make the edit for issue 76. Does anyone know where

   Arle is on this. Felix says unclear whether just wording change

   or change of implementation.

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-392 Make the edit for issue


   Action-393 (go back to Richard I. about new resolution for

   issue-79) DaveL




     [23] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/79

   Davel is asking for someone to take over

   Felix says just one sentence needs to be changed, email sent to

   Richard. DaveL agrees to take this over




     [24] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394

   Action-394 (Add links to examples for issue 80)

   <fsasaki> action-394?

   <trackbot> ACTION-394 -- Felix Sasaki to add links to examples

   for issue 80 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [25] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394




     [26] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/80

   Felix suggests that this needs an editor to do this.


   <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and

   xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [27] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395

   <fsasaki> action-395?

   <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and

   xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [28] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395

   we discussed this last week. broad conclusion is that wording

   is okay. DaveL has followup action to see how this works with

   HTML vs. XML

   Felix will keep this action item.


   <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for

   xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [29] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396

   <fsasaki> action-396?

   <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for

   xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [30] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396

   <fsasaki> close action-396

   <trackbot> Closed ACTION-396 Create example for xml;lang /


   This action should be closed. Has been done.


   <trackbot> ACTION-398 -- Felix Sasaki to answer Richard to

   indicate we'll address this with a rule file in BP -- due

   2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [31] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398

   DaveL is taking this over.



   ctions/398 now daveL

     [32] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398


   <trackbot> ACTION-399 -- Felix Sasaki to draft non-normative

   section clarifying relations to HTML for issue 89 -- due

   2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [33] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399




     [34] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/89




     [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html

   Felix explains that relation between its and HTML5 needs to be

   made more clear.

   DaveL asked Christian L whether this could be covered in

   Introduction (to its 2.0)

   Christian L says so far he has not written anything about this.

   Will do so in next draft, and get persons more knowledgable

   with HTML5 to review draft text.

   Should this action (399) be moved to Christian (to do in his

   update to Section 1)



   ctions/399 now christianL

     [36] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399

   as no objections action 399 to christianL


   <trackbot> ACTION-400 -- Felix Sasaki to edit the specification

   for Language (MUST missing, etc.) -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [37] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/400

   DaveL says simple edit ("must" missing, etc.)

   To be left pending, as DaveL and Felix cannot find substance of

   what needs to be done.


   <trackbot> ACTION-405 -- Felix Sasaki to follow up with

   Christian on tekom as an option. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [38] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/405

   scribe: for a workshop towards the end of the year. Felix will

   keep open and follow up.


   <trackbot> ACTION-408 -- Felix Sasaki to ensure that there is

   no MUST in any notes. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [39] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408

   action-408: to DaveL

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-408 Ensure that there is no

   MUST in any notes..



   ctions/408 now daveL

     [40] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408


   <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- Felix Sasaki to let Norbert know that

   issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [41] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412

   action-414: to DaveL

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-414 Make edit for issue-100

   and get back to Norbert..

   will follow up with Norbert


   <trackbot> ACTION-415 -- Felix Sasaki to update unicode

   reference for issue-104 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [42] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/415

   keep with Felix and keep open


   <trackbot> ACTION-416 -- Karl Fritsche to propose solution to

   Norbert and then Felix can add to spec. -- due 2013-01-30 --





     [43] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/416

   Karl said a solution was proposed, sent to Norbert, but no

   response as of now.

   DaveL asks Karl to send a 2nd reminder (to Norbert).

   needs to be done as spec change


   <trackbot> ACTION-419 -- Jirka Kosek to make schematron tests

   described at


   ership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN

     [44] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose




     [45] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/419

   <scribe> pending, as Jirka not on cal


   <trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Felix Sasaki to make edit for

   issue-111 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [46] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/420




     [47] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/111

   <fsasaki> "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language

   ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." This is not

   needed: overriding of ITS information covers this, hence

   deleting the sentence.

   action420: to Jirka


   <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- David Lewis to let Norbert know that

   issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN




     [48] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412

   quality-related "must" statements. to be kept open for Arle


   <trackbot> ACTION-422 -- Arle Lommel to do copy-editing on the

   spec -- due 2013-04-01 -- OPEN




     [49] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/422

   any volunteers to assist, as Arle busy leading up to Rome

   Shaunm volunteers to help

   DaveL says, exclude look at Section 1, but rest, incl. annexes

   needs careful read through.

   Shaunm asks about whether changes need to be approved. DaveL

   indicates editorial changes do not, anything that changes

   meaning does.

   David F points out that this doesn

   't need to be pushed too hard, as Arle took this over with

   deadline in April.

   Felix points out that we now need to concentrate on normative

   changes. Editorial changes can wait.


   <trackbot> ACTION-423 -- Felix Sasaki to do edits for issue-113

   -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN




     [50] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/423




     [51] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/113

   Felix suggests giving this to Yves (not on call).


   <trackbot> ACTION-424 -- Arle Lommel to fix section 8.9 note:

   "since the extra training resources does not justify the

   improvement in the output." -> "since the extra training

   resources do not justify the improvement in the output." -- due

   2013-01-31 -- OPEN




     [52] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/424

   leave with Arle


   <trackbot> ACTION-426 -- Arle Lommel to create an indicator for

   poster relations -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN




     [53] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/426

   DaveL sent out something on this earlier today.

   Wait until reactions.


   were going to have separate page, but now want people to update

   their links on their use pages




     [54] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary

   asks ChristianL to check other links to see if up-to-date

   (implementations of use cases)


   <trackbot> ACTION-429 -- Felix Sasaki to check xliff ITS

   mapping namespace hosting in w3c -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN




     [55] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/429

   Felix says not urgent for its spec

   can wait



   <trackbot> ACTION-430 -- Shaun McCance to draft text explaining

   importance of Unicode normalization and best practices on

   ISSUE-67 -- due 2013-02-04 -- OPEN




     [56] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/430

   <scribe> ongoing

   Christian asks to spend 2 min on high level use cases

   Christian recommends that we will benefit if using some sort of

   template for examples.

   Christian says has largely been done, but sees one discrepancy

   is referring to 3rd part in each section template

   <chriLi> More Information and Implementation Status/Issues

   <chriLi> Detailed slides at , Running software, ....

   in some sections we have detail slides and running software and

   source code (not in other?)




     [57] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation

   should we have guidance that each and every implementor be

   required to do this?

   is this appropriate information to have in a note?

   DaveL suggests that one option is NOT to have it in.

   ChristianL responds that at this point in time this info is

   very useful.

   But, ChristianL says he sees how some of this info can become

   "stale" over time and thus sees not have it in formal note

   felix suggests leaving a working draft that, before the WG

   closes later this year that can be updated later

   <daveL_> ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case

   writer to include linked to further information and working

   prototpyes [recorded in


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Send mail instructing use case

   writer to include linked to further information and working

   prototpyes [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-20].

   DaveL asks felix whether there is anything else to take over

   <daveL_> olaf made point that flights and hotel in rome are

   going quickly

   felix asks whether to skip Monday call

   DaveL suggests that there are issues for Monday. (Tadej and

   Christian to report.) DaveL will chair again.

   Felix indicates that there will be NO merging of

   datacategories, only levels dropped

   Felix thinks that the name changes can also be accepted as


Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case writer

   to include linked to further information and working prototpyes

   [recorded in


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