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[Minutes] MLW-LT call 2013-04-03

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:16:31 +0200
Message-ID: <515CAA3F.9060606@w3.org>
To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Hi all,

3 April call minutes are at
http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html

and below as text. NOTE: we closed *a lot* of issues during the call 
that were scheduled for review. Please have a look at the minutes and 
check if you disagree with the changes.

Best,

Felix

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                                MLW-LT WG

03 Apr 2013

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0008.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-irc

Attendees

    Present
           felix, daveLewis, Ankit, Jirka, omstefanov, dF, Yves,
           pnietoca, tadej, leroy, Milan

    Regrets
           christian, arle

    Chair
           felix

    Scribe
           Ankit

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Draft publication plans
          2. [6]Close most of issues 70 to 92 and 100 to 121,
             following Dave's and Jirka's actions
          3. [7]issue-68 edits
          4. [8]Bled goals and attendance
          5. [9]issue-117
          6. [10]issue-119 ITS Ontology
          7. [11]issue-116 space normalization
          8. [12]edits review
          9. [13]"Clarify interpretation of line breaks when
             calculating storage size"
         10. [14]"Clarify character encoding behavior when
             calculating storage size"
         11. [15]"html translate" issue-97
         12. [16]aob
      * [17]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <fsasaki>
    [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Apr/0008.html

      [18] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0008.html

Draft publication plans

    <fsasaki>
    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Apr/0006.html

      [19] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0006.html

    felix: should publish something now.. the last publication was
    in dec

    publication by next week

    Pablo: finish by next Monday

Close most of issues 70 to 92 and 100 to 121, following Dave's and
Jirka's actions

    Jirka: issues 106 & 107

    issue 116 safely closed

    issue 117 need feedback to close

    issue 118 still clarifying with HTML wg

    issue 119: waiting to be incorporated by Dave..

    <fsasaki>
    [20]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
    ssues/pendingreview

      [20] 
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/pendingreview

    felix: issues pending review, which ones need to be closed

    Dave: looked at pending issues first..

    <fsasaki> jirka: my action needs one more week, to look at
    pending review issues

    issue 70 did a follow-up with commentors.. just need to put it
    back in document (will close by next week)

    <fsasaki> issue-70?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-70 -- Defined order of precedence missing
    inherited local values -- pending review

    <trackbot>
    [21]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/is
    sues/70

      [21] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/70

    issue 76: ready to close

    <fsasaki>
    [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0200.html

      [22] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0200.html

    David: did some edits..

    <fsasaki>
    [23]http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issue-113.ht
    ml

      [23] http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issue-113.html

    <fsasaki>
    [24]http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issues-76-83
    -99-112-123-124.html

      [24] 
http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issues-76-83-99-112-123-124.html

    DaveL: safely closed: issue 79 82 84

    marking it as a substantive or informative change

    Felix: let's close it for now, see what w3c mgmt later thinks..

    we currently have directionality, Yves & dF making tests

    <fsasaki>
    [25]http://htmlpreview.github.com/?https://raw.github.com/finnl
    e/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/master/its2.0/testSuiteDashboard.html

      [25] 
http://htmlpreview.github.com/?https://raw.github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/master/its2.0/testSuiteDashboard.html

    <fsasaki> "Directionality, non-normative" > "Directionality"

    change the dashboard

    daveL: issue 80 (global rules referring to examples) closed

    dF: hear back from..

    daveL: sent an email did not hear back

    <fsasaki>
    [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013J
    anMar/0371.html

      [26] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0371.html

    <fsasaki> "Please let us know wether you are ok with the
    resolution. If we don't hear back from you within two weeks we
    assume this as closed."

    fsasaki: email sen to Richard dated 31 March

    dF: what to do when commentator do not reply back

    fsasaki: if it is a more severe change, important to get
    feedback

    daveL: issue 88
    ... issue 90 (directionality)

    <scribe> ACTION: felix on action 90 [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-473 - On action 90 [on Felix Sasaki -
    due 2013-04-10].

    daveL: will go back to issue still open

    <fsasaki> DaveL: safely closed: issue 79 82 84

issue-68 edits

    <fsasaki>
    [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0222.html

      [28] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0222.html

    <fsasaki>
    [29]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
    ts20/its20.html#textanalysis

      [29] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#textanalysis

    fsasaki: Christian said fine to close this

    should we close issue 68?

    issue 68 closed

    <tadej> I'm also fine with that - I seem to be muted

    action fsasaki come to York's comments

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-474 - Come to York's comments [on
    Felix Sasaki - due 2013-04-10].

Bled goals and attendance

    <fsasaki>
    [30]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ble
    dMay2013#Participants

      [30] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/BledMay2013#Participants

    <tadej> I'm muted

    <fsasaki>
    [31]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ble
    dMay2013#Hotel_Information

      [31] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/BledMay2013#Hotel_Information

    fsasaki: Tadej said everyone must fill in the form by tomorrow
    for Bled attendance

    <fsasaki>
    [32]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/ima
    ges/6/6e/BledHotelRegistration2013.doc

      [32] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/images/6/6e/BledHotelRegistration2013.doc

    deadline for hotel researvation is tomorrow (April 4th)

    fsasaki: any other qs on f2f?

    goal is to close all open last call issues by Face2 Face

issue-117

    <fsasaki>
    [33]http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#basic-concepts-selection-global

      [33] http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/#basic-concepts-selection-global

    <fsasaki> "Caveat Related to XSLT-based Processing of ITS
    Selector Attributes: ..."

    fsasaki: propose to remove above note note

    <Yves_> +1 on removing that note

    <fsasaki>
    [34]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
    ctions/446

      [34] 
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/446

    Jirka: example 11 should stay, just drop the note

    fsasaki: anybody against closing removing the note?

    action Jirka edit to issue 117

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-475 - Edit to issue 117 [on Jirka
    Kosek - due 2013-04-10].

issue-119 ITS Ontology

    fsasaki: Dave, update on ontology before Bled Meeting?

    daveL: send an email clarifying general usage issues (yes/no),

    do stand-off notation like LQI require special class?

    daveL: update Ontology before Bled meeting

issue-116 space normalization

    fsasaki: Jirka summarized it.

    any comments on issue 116?

    issue 116 closed

edits review

    <fsasaki>
    [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0200.html

      [35] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0200.html

    fsasaki: many of these are connected to quality

    <fsasaki>
    [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0200.html

      [36] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0200.html

    <fsasaki>
    [37]http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issues-76-83
    -99-112-123-124.html

      [37] 
http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issues-76-83-99-112-123-124.html

    <fsasaki>
    [38]http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issue-113.ht
    ml

      [38] http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/temp/edits-issue-113.html

    <Yves_> Just one minor note: we use both "Web" and "web" across
    the document, should we be consistent?

    <fsasaki>
    [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0200.html

      [39] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0200.html

    <Yves_> I meant "Web" and "web"

    <Yves_> in many places

    <scribe> ACTION: fsasaki to ensure capitalization of Web is
    consistent in document [recorded in
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-476 - Ensure capitalization of Web is
    consistent in document [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-04-10].

    fsasaki: safe to close the issues for now

"Clarify interpretation of line breaks when calculating storage size"

    <fsasaki>
    [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0211.html

      [41] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0211.html

    <Yves_> we talked about encoding rather than linebreak

    <Yves_> I think from Anne's input we can simply drop the NEL
    case in our list (because NEL is not converted to LF in XML)

    Jirka: that is true

    it is not interpreted as line break character

    <Yves_> I can include that in the re-writing I have to do for
    encoding.

    <Yves_> or Jirak's solution... fine with me too

    <fsasaki>
    [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2013Mar/0211.html

      [42] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Mar/0211.html

    <fsasaki>
    [43]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
    ts20/its20.html#storagesize-definition

      [43] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#storagesize-definition

    <fsasaki> "The storage size is expressed in bytes and is
    provided along with the character set encoding and the line
    break type which will be used when the content is stored."

    <fsasaki> [44]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/247

      [44] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/247

    issue 247

    <fsasaki> this is mlw-lt issue-107

    <fsasaki> issue-107?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-107 -- I18N-ISSUE-247: Clarify interpretation
    of line breaks when calculating storage size [ITS-20] -- open

    <trackbot>
    [45]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/is
    sues/107

      [45] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/107

    action Jirka make edit on issue 107

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-477 - Make edit on issue 107 [on
    Jirka Kosek - due 2013-04-10].

"Clarify character encoding behavior when calculating storage size"

    <fsasaki>
    [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Apr/0001.html

      [46] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Apr/0001.html

    fsasaki: might need another call with i18n WG, let's see if
    they come back to us.

    <fsasaki>
    [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Apr/0004.html

      [47] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Apr/0004.html

    <fsasaki>
    [48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Apr/0007.html

      [48] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Apr/0007.html

    <fsasaki> Maybe we should add a sentence like: 'Note that the
    value of storage size will generally give no indication about
    the display length of the text and is therefore not adequate
    for expressing constraints relating to display length.' after:
    'The storage size is expressed in bytes and is provided along
    with the character set encoding used to store the content.'

    fsasaki: this is from Stefan'semail

    does anyone disagree using byte as storage size?

    <fsasaki>
    [49]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Apr/0001.html

      [49] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Apr/0001.html

    <fsasaki>
    [50]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt-comments/2013Apr/0007.html

      [50] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Apr/0007.html

    email0001 and email0007

    <Yves_> sure I can do that

    action Yves make edit on issue 106

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-478 - Make edit on issue 106 [on Yves
    Savourel - due 2013-04-10].

"html translate" issue-97

    <fsasaki>
    [51]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21495

      [51] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21495

    <fsasaki>
    [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-t
    ranslate-attribute

      [52] 
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-translate-attribute

    fsasaki: Yves submitted a list of translatable elements

    <fsasaki>
    [53]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-t
    ranslate-attribute

      [53] 
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-translate-attribute

    fsasaki: question to everybody: do you agree with Yves'
    comments?

    or have anything to add on the attributes

    daveL: do we know how long it will take for them to get back

    fsasaki: it depends on what dependency we create..

    HTML spec is still in flux

    fsasaki: in testsuite, all translate-related tests will need to
    be changed

    <fsasaki> [54]http://html5.org/r/7745

      [54] http://html5.org/r/7745

    fsasaki: latest version of what WG spec WG
    ... there is mismatch

aob

    daveL: just checking through must and must not

    normative or informative needs to be addressed

    <fsasaki>
    [55]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
    ts20/its20.html#html5-markup

      [55] 
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#html5-markup

    <fsasaki> "6 Using ITS Markup in HTML" and sec. 7: need "these
    section is normative"

    <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to add "normative" statement to sec 6
    and 7 [recorded in
    [56]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-479 - Add "normative" statement to
    sec 6 and 7 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-04-10].

    meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: felix on action 90 [recorded in
    [57]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to add "normative" statement to sec 6 and 7
    [recorded in
    [58]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: fsasaki to ensure capitalization of Web is
    consistent in document [recorded in
    [59]http://www.w3.org/2013/04/03-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]
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