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Re: [all] Call for consensus on disambiguation - feedback integrated [ACTION-181]

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:07:56 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czqPkQzh7_AXdf65KnKiV5RqBD=5A8rhhS86A-NS=qDwkA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Tadej Štajner <tadej.stajner@ijs.si>
Cc: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org, raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr, pablomendes@gmail.com, Giuseppe.Rizzo@eurecom.fr, Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
Hi Tadej, all,

thanks a lot for this. Just a few comments / questions:

1) About "The information applies to the textual content of the element,
including child elements and attributes.": wouldn't it make more sense to
say that this applies to only the content of the element? E.g. if you
annotate the "span" element in

<p>I have seen <span id="timbl"><span class="firstame">Tim</span> <span
class="lastname">Berners-Lee</span></span> in the olympics opening

You want to express disambiguation information about the "span" element
with the "id" attribute, but not about the "id" attribute or the nested
span elements. So inheritance probably should be: "There is no
inheritance". What do you think?

2) About "The Entity data category can be expressed with global rules, or
locally on an individual element.": This should probably be "The
Disambiguation data category can be expressed with global rules, or locally
on an individual element."

3) About local markup: for other data categories, we don't have the
"pointer" attributes as local markup, since processing of XPath in local
markup can be very expensive. So I would propose to drop the local pointer
attributes here too.

4) In the table at the end, "Global pointing to existing information"
should be "yes" I think.

5) This selector
<its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p/#dublin" ...
In XPath should be
<its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p[@id='dublin']

6) To follow the conventions from other data categories, the
"its:disambiguation" element should probably be called

7) A question on the data category in general and the "rules" element: does
it make sense to make some attributes mandatory? Currently, this would be
<its:disambiguation selector="/text/body/p[@id='dublin']/>

8) A question to the others in this thread (Guiseppe, Pablo, Raphael,
Sebastian): is this a representation that makes sense to you and that your
tools could produce?

9) A question to the MT guys: is the way "entity and disambiguation"
information is represented here useful for you?



2012/8/3 Tadej Štajner <tadej.stajner@ijs.si>

> Hi,
> I incorporated some comments that 'entity' was still conflated from
> several distinct things in the data category proposal. Now, we distinguish
> between disambiguation of word sense, ontology concept and entity instance.
> Following that, it seems that 'Disambiguation' was the better name for the
> data category.
> Thanks for everyone's input!
> -- Tadej
> On 02. 08. 2012 17:26, Tadej Štajner wrote:
>> Apologies -- wrong link on the previous mail. This is the relevant one:
>> http://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**lt/track/actions/181<http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/181>
>> -- Tadej
>> On 02. 08. 2012 17:22, Tadej Štajner wrote:
>>> Hi, all,
>>> this is the integration of the feedback points from the last call on the
>>> Entity data category and subsequently on the mailing list. I cleaned up and
>>> defined the terms, so it better fits both use cases, lexical as well as
>>> conceptual disambiguation, and introduced XPath variants of the attributes
>>> since they were used in the examples, but not defined anywhere.
>>> I'd ask anyone who's interested in taking another look. Otherwise, I
>>> think we can move forward.
>>> -- Tadej
>>> Related:
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-multilingualweb-**
>>> lt/2012Jul/0280.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0280.html>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-multilingualweb-**
>>> lt/2012Jul/0288.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0288.html>
>>> http://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**lt/track/issues/181<http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/181>
>>> On 26. 07. 2012 15:47, Tadej Štajner wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> (cc-ing additional people who may be interested in this),
>>>> this may be relevant at today's call. Here's a summary and integration
>>>> of what was going on around the named entity and disambiguation data
>>>> categories, along with usage in RDFa Lite.
>>>> -- Tadej
>>>> Related in https://www.w3.org/**International/multilingualweb/**
>>>> lt/track/ <https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/>:
>>>> [ISSUE-2]
>>>> [ISSUE-18]
>>>> [ISSUE-29]
>>>> [ISSUE-35]
>>>> [ACTION-164]

Felix Sasaki
DFKI / W3C Fellow
Received on Friday, 3 August 2012 11:08:29 UTC

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