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Re: Quality markup sample

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:22:00 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czq6KT3LL1mwWfyif_U8yVG1pEWtSM3ph0jtAxcPu9sC_g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>
Cc: Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>, Multilingual Web LT Public List <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
2012/8/1 Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>

> Sure. Although I thought we had a principle against additive markup (i.e.,
> we can't add elements that aren't in the document already).
>

That's a misunderstanding: we can't add elements that are *not part of the
HTML language*, e.g. <its:qaIssue ...> . But nobody disallows to add HTML
elements, e.g. HTML "span", with its- attributes. See as an example the
input (without "span") and the output (with "span") of automatic entity
annotation at

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0064.html


> If that isn't the case, then this becomes much simpler.
>

Great,

Felix


>
> Best
>
> Arle
>
> --
> Arle Lommel
> Berlin, Germany
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> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 18:33, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Cool - so we can get rid of the "internal" syntax :)
>
> Arle, do you want to revise your example along these lines?
>
> Felix
>
>
> 2012/8/1 Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>
>
>> Ah, of course, <span /> should work.
>>
>> Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
>> To:        Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>,
>> Cc:        Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>, Phil Ritchie <
>> philr@vistatec.ie>, Multilingual Web LT Public List <
>> public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
>> Date:        01/08/2012 16:15
>> Subject:        Re: Quality markup sample
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>> 2012/8/1 Yves Savourel <*ysavourel@enlaso.com* <ysavourel@enlaso.com>>
>> Wow That is really pushing toward new frontiers :) N*2 levels of
>> information into a single value is bound to break at some point: you cant
>> use any of the delimiters as literal for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would think that if you need to apply several note to the same content
>> you would use several <span> elements. Its not nice, but its more common
>> than doing that kind of cramming.
>>
>>
>>
>> But overall it seems we are really trying to put inline something that is
>> just not working well inline.
>>
>>
>> I agree, and my proposal just came because the inline requirement seemed
>> to be mandatory. But maybe we can drop it, or use the "span" solution, ...
>> Phil?
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -ys
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Arle Lommel [mailto:*arle.lommel@dfki.de* <arle.lommel@dfki.de>]
>> *
>> Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2012 4:50 PM*
>> To:* Phil Ritchie
>>
>> *
>> Cc:* Multilingual Web LT Public List*
>> Subject:* Re: Quality markup sample
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> After discussing with Felix, I think we have a solution to the issue of
>> multiple markup items: We would have an internal syntax to the attribute
>> values using a vertical bar (|) as a delimiter, so you could see markup
>> like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> <p
>>
>> its-qualitytype="markup;okapi:MISSING_TAG_IN_TARGET|
>> terminology;okapi:TERMINOLOGY"
>>
>> its-qualitycomment="An &lt;em> tag is missing in the target|the text
>> should refer to a USB drive rather than pen drive">
>>
>> The only thing you need is a pen drive
>>
>> </p>
>>
>>
>>
>> In this case the ; in qualityType would delimit between the high-level
>> category and the application-specific one and the | between instances of
>> values, so the blue values are a pair, and the red ones another. The
>> requirement then (which I don't think can be enforced by a schema) is that
>> if you have bar-delimited bits in one qualityType, you need an equal number
>> in qualityComment (and vice versa), even if they are empty. For example,
>> the following would be perfectly acceptable
>>
>>
>>
>> <p
>>
>> its-qualitytype="markup;okapi:MISSING_TAG_IN_TARGET|
>> terminology;okapi:TERMINOLOGY"
>>
>> its-qualitycomment="|the text should refer to a USB drive rather than
>> pen drive">
>>
>> The only thing you need is a pen drive
>>
>> </p>
>>
>>
>>
>> I.e., the qualityComment value corresponding to the red portion is empty
>> and the bar marks the end of the empty portion.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this is cramming some structure into the values of these
>> attributes that complicates them, but given the overriding and inheritance
>> rules of ITS, this seems to be the best solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Arle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 20:44 , Phil Ritchie <*philr@vistatec.ie*<philr@vistatec.ie>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Thanks for this Arle. Good catch on the multiple errors. I'm not
>> familiar with how additive markup is achieved. Sounds like you have to end
>> up with some sort of external file that has multiple pointers to the same
>> element?
>>
>> Phil
>>
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>>
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>> Felix Sasaki
>> DFKI / W3C Fellow
>>
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