- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 22:22:00 +0200
- To: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>
- Cc: Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>, Multilingual Web LT Public List <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
- Message-ID: <CAL58czq6KT3LL1mwWfyif_U8yVG1pEWtSM3ph0jtAxcPu9sC_g@mail.gmail.com>
2012/8/1 Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de> > Sure. Although I thought we had a principle against additive markup (i.e., > we can't add elements that aren't in the document already). > That's a misunderstanding: we can't add elements that are *not part of the HTML language*, e.g. <its:qaIssue ...> . But nobody disallows to add HTML elements, e.g. HTML "span", with its- attributes. See as an example the input (without "span") and the output (with "span") of automatic entity annotation at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Jul/0064.html > If that isn't the case, then this becomes much simpler. > Great, Felix > > Best > > Arle > > -- > Arle Lommel > Berlin, Germany > Skype: arle_lommel > Phone (US): +1 707 709 8650 > > Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > > On Aug 1, 2012, at 18:33, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote: > > Cool - so we can get rid of the "internal" syntax :) > > Arle, do you want to revise your example along these lines? > > Felix > > > 2012/8/1 Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> > >> Ah, of course, <span /> should work. >> >> Phil. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> >> To: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>, >> Cc: Arle Lommel <arle.lommel@dfki.de>, Phil Ritchie < >> philr@vistatec.ie>, Multilingual Web LT Public List < >> public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org> >> Date: 01/08/2012 16:15 >> Subject: Re: Quality markup sample >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> 2012/8/1 Yves Savourel <*ysavourel@enlaso.com* <ysavourel@enlaso.com>> >> Wow… That is really pushing toward new frontiers :) N*2 levels of >> information into a single value is bound to break at some point: you can’t >> use any of the delimiters as literal for example. >> >> >> >> I would think that if you need to apply several note to the same content >> you would use several <span> elements. It’s not nice, but it’s more common >> than doing that kind of cramming. >> >> >> >> But overall it seems we are really trying to put inline something that is >> just not working well inline. >> >> >> I agree, and my proposal just came because the inline requirement seemed >> to be mandatory. But maybe we can drop it, or use the "span" solution, ... >> Phil? >> >> Felix >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -ys >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Arle Lommel [mailto:*arle.lommel@dfki.de* <arle.lommel@dfki.de>] >> * >> Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2012 4:50 PM* >> To:* Phil Ritchie >> >> * >> Cc:* Multilingual Web LT Public List* >> Subject:* Re: Quality markup sample >> >> >> >> Hi Phil, >> >> >> >> After discussing with Felix, I think we have a solution to the issue of >> multiple markup items: We would have an internal syntax to the attribute >> values using a vertical bar (|) as a delimiter, so you could see markup >> like this: >> >> >> >> <p >> >> its-qualitytype="markup;okapi:MISSING_TAG_IN_TARGET| >> terminology;okapi:TERMINOLOGY" >> >> its-qualitycomment="An <em> tag is missing in the target|the text >> should refer to a USB drive rather than pen drive"> >> >> The only thing you need is a pen drive >> >> </p> >> >> >> >> In this case the ; in qualityType would delimit between the high-level >> category and the application-specific one and the | between instances of >> values, so the blue values are a pair, and the red ones another. The >> requirement then (which I don't think can be enforced by a schema) is that >> if you have bar-delimited bits in one qualityType, you need an equal number >> in qualityComment (and vice versa), even if they are empty. For example, >> the following would be perfectly acceptable >> >> >> >> <p >> >> its-qualitytype="markup;okapi:MISSING_TAG_IN_TARGET| >> terminology;okapi:TERMINOLOGY" >> >> its-qualitycomment="|the text should refer to a USB drive rather than >> pen drive"> >> >> The only thing you need is a pen drive >> >> </p> >> >> >> >> I.e., the qualityComment value corresponding to the red portion is empty >> and the bar marks the end of the empty portion. >> >> >> >> I know this is cramming some structure into the values of these >> attributes that complicates them, but given the overriding and inheritance >> rules of ITS, this seems to be the best solution. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Arle >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 20:44 , Phil Ritchie <*philr@vistatec.ie*<philr@vistatec.ie>> >> wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for this Arle. Good catch on the multiple errors. I'm not >> familiar with how additive markup is achieved. Sounds like you have to end >> up with some sort of external file that has multiple pointers to the same >> element? >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Felix Sasaki >> DFKI / W3C Fellow >> >> >> ************************************************************ >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >> the sender immediately by e-mail. >> >> www.vistatec.com >> ************************************************************ >> >> > > > -- > Felix Sasaki > DFKI / W3C Fellow > > -- Felix Sasaki DFKI / W3C Fellow
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