Re: Question on https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/ from Leroy Finn on 2013-08-21 (public-multilingualweb-lt-tests@w3.org from August 2013)

From: Leroy Finn <finnle@tcd.ie>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:55:25 +0100
To: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Cc: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>, Multilingual Web LT-TESTS Public <public-multilingualweb-lt-tests@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CAMYWBwtOZ7imE5vC6-YQTz-DeNFyaoXfcHsfMkMn-guOb4AySg@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks that has cleared things up for me. I will do the changes to HTML
prov now.

Thanks,
Leroy


On 21 August 2013 13:25, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com> wrote:

> Sorry I didn’t pay attention to the provRule selector.
> Yes, that would work.
>
> -ys
>
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:17 PM
> To: Yves Savourel
> Cc: 'Leroy Finn'; 'Multilingual Web LT-TESTS Public'
> Subject: Re: Question on
> https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/
>
> Am 21.08.13 14:12, schrieb Yves Savourel:
> Shouldn’t the anchor include the content?
> Like:
>
> <p class="prov-records-ref"><a href="#pr1">This paragraph was translated
> from the machine. </a></p>
>
> Probably rather not - the empty anchor emphasizes that this is not
> something to click on. If it includes the content a brower would
> display it with blue underline.
>
> - Felix
>
>
>
>
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:47 PM
> To: Leroy Finn
> Cc: Yves Savourel; Multilingual Web LT-TESTS Public
> Subject: Re: Question on
> https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/
>
> Am 21.08.13 13:28, schrieb Leroy Finn:
> Just to clarify before I make the update to the HTML test suite files and
> remove the global examples for HTML that the following is
> stated in the draft (see underlined):
>
> "The Provenance data category can be expressed with global rules, or
> locally on individual elements. For elements, the data category
> information inherits to the textual content of the
> element, including child elements and attributes."
>
> If we are saying we can't do it for HTML but we can for XML this should
> probably be changed in the draft.  As Felix stated:
>
> What would be the proper replacement for the "id"  attribute here - any
> idea? .. e.g. HTML "p" you can only use id, class, style,
> title, align - nothing seems to fit.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Good point. However, I wouldn't change that in the draft. It would be
> strange to have global provenance only for XML. How about
> this:
>
> <html>
>   <head>
>     <meta charset=utf-8>
>     <title>Test</title>
>     <script id=pr1 type=application/its+xml>
>       <its:provenanceRecords xml:id="pr1" xmlns:its="
> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
>         <its:provenanceRecord
>          toolRef="http://www.onlinemtex.com/2012/7/25/wsdl/"
>          org="acme-CAT-v2.3"
>          provRef="
> http://www.examplelsp.com/excontent987/production/prov/e6354"
>          revToolRef="http://www.mycat.com/v1.0/download"
>          revOrg="acme-CAT-v2.3" />
>       </its:provenanceRecords>
>     </script>
>     <script id=pr2 type=application/its+xml>
>       <its:provenanceRecords xml:id="pr2" xmlns:its="
> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its">
>         <its:provenanceRecord
>          person="John Doe"
>          orgRef="http://www.legaltrans-ex.com/"
>          provRef="http://www.examplelsp.com/excontent987/legal/prov/e6354"
>          revPerson="Tommy Atkins"
>          revOrgRef="http://www.example.myorg.com" />
>         <its:provenanceRecord
>          revPerson="John Smith"
>          revOrgRef="http://john-smith.qa.example.com" />
>         </its:provenanceRecords>
>       </script>
>   </head>
>   <body>
>     <p class="prov-records-ref"><a href="#pr1"></a>This paragraph was
> translated from the machine.</p>
>     <p class="prov-records-ref"><a href="#pr2"></a>This text was
> translated directly by a person.</p>
>   </body>
> </html>
>
> and a rules file like this
>
> <its:rules version="2.0">
>     <its:provRule selector="//*[@class='prov-records-ref']"
> provenanceRecordsRefPointer="h:a/@href"/>
>   </its:rules>
>
>
> I see a use case in which users don't want to have local its-* attributes
> in HTML. They then could so something like the above
> (using the empty "a" elements).
>
> - Felix
>
>
>
>
> Leroy
>
> On 21 August 2013 11:32, Leroy Finn <finnle@tcd.ie> wrote:
> I have pushed the XML update. I did it in a similar fashion that
> you recommended Felix see the commit here both input and output for
> XML were updated . I will do the HTML update now.
>
> XML Commit:
> https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/commit/0e5171eb9cf465a3536f330dfe253337c9ca8efd
>
> Leroy
>
> On 21 August 2013 10:19, Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:
> Makes both sense, thanks a lot, Leroy.
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
>
> Am 21.08.13 11:17, schrieb Leroy Finn:
> Also I will correct the xml files now.
>
> Thanks,
> Leroy
>
> On 21 August 2013 10:10, Leroy Finn <finnle@tcd.ie> wrote:
> Yeah I see what you mean the error occurs with 'id' attribute in 4 out of
> the 8 HTML examples namely : 1,2,5 and 8. What course of
> action should I take? Should i just replace id
> with its-provenance-records-ref?
>
> Thanks,
> Leroy
>
> On 21 August 2013 08:50, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com> wrote:
> I was wondering that too.
> Not sure. I suppose class could hold the URI even of the value is not a
> URI type.
>
> The truth is probably that it’s unlikely that someone use a global rule
> with provenanceRecordsRefPointer when the attribute
> its-provenance-records-ref can be used inside the document.
>
> -ys
>
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:08 AM
> To: Yves Savourel
> Cc: 'Multilingual Web LT-TESTS Public'
> Subject: Re: Question on
> https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/
>
> Am 21.08.13 08:35, schrieb Yves Savourel:
> By the way: it looks like we have the same incorrect use of id in most of
> the HTML examples too.
>
> Good point. What would be the proper replacement for the "id" attribute
> here - any idea? At e.g. HTML "p" you can only use id,
> class, style, title, align - nothing seems to fit.
>
> - Felix
>
>
>
> -ys
>
> From: Felix Sasaki [mailto:fsasaki@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:13 AM
> To: Multilingual Web LT-TESTS Public
> Subject: Question on https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/
>
> Hi all,
>
> see
> https://github.com/finnle/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/pull/22/
> and the proposed change at
>
> https://github.com/garfieldnate/ITS-2.0-Testsuite/commit/1417ef0408876a0bc525d1e9b51c5e5b7c016197
> garfieldnate is right about xml:id. I am just wondering whether xml:id is
> the right attribute here. Or should the file (relevent
> part below) rather look like this?
>
>
> <its:rules version="2.0">
>     <its:provRule selector="/text/body/par"
>       provenanceRecordsRefPointer="@ref"/>
>     <its:provRule selector="/text/body/legalnotice"
>       provenanceRecordsRefPointer="@ref"/>
>   </its:rules>
>   <title>Translation Revision Provenance Agent: Global Test in XML</title>
>   <body>
>     <par ref="#pr1"> This paragraph was translated from the machine.</par>
>     <legalnotice ref="#pr2">This text was
>       translated directly by a person.</legalnotice>
>   </body>
>
> Best,
>
> Felix
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