Re: MATF Minutes September 24, 2020

Then stop doing that ;)

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 7:32 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
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> Hi Chris,
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> I see those distinctions, but we are writing guidelines for people who
> have to cater to both, at the same time.
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> -Alastair
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> *From:* Chris McMeeking <chris.mcmeeking@deque.com>
> *Sent:* 24 September 2020 23:56
> *To:* Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Cc:* Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>;
> public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: MATF Minutes September 24, 2020
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> I don't see the same distinctions as you do. I see:
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> - users where the default expectation is mouse and keyboad interaction
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> - users where their hands and a touch screen are the only default
> expectation
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> These two distinct user groups are significantly more important than any
> technical boundaries you wish to fabricate.
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> The reality is: Web Browsers are themselves native applications, with
> identical limitations as the platforms they are built around.
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> Chris
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> PS: done with this thread. Reach out to me for direct input if you would
> like. I hate email! :)
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 6:43 PM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
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> It looks like there are a couple of distinct perspectives here.
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> Obviously there are differences between mobile app, mobile hybrid & mobile
> web. And we must create guidelines that apply to web, ideally more. If
> something doesn't work across both mobile web & desktop web then it doesn't
> work as a web guideline.
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> We need to understand the separate conversations but come to one
> conclusion.
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> Please be clear about which context your comments are coming from. It
> wasn't particularly clear from the meeting minutes, but that could just be
> because it's lacking the context of the call.
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> Kind regards,
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> -Alastair
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
> Sent: 24 September 2020 20:28
> To: Chris McMeeking <chris.mcmeeking@deque.com>
> Cc: public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org
> Subject: Re: MATF Minutes September 24, 2020
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> On 24/09/2020 20:18, Chris McMeeking wrote:
> > @patrick: The naivety is in assuming that the Desktop and the Mobile
> > conversation are the same discussion. Different users, different input
> > mechanisms, etc. These conversations must be had separately in order
> > for them to be comprehensible.
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> Then who is having the desktop conversation, officially? Because I'm
> fairly sure that AGWG as a whole is expecting the TF here to usher through
> the SC in general, not just look at the mobile-specific aspect.
> And note that the end result must still be a single SC that applies to all
> platform, it can't be scoped to "for mobile" or "for touch devices", or
> even give a "for touch, it must be this, for mouse/stylus, it must be this"
> as devices inputs can be fluid and change at any moment (e.g. a mouse being
> paired with a nominally touch-only device; a "desktop"
> device with a touchscreen as well as a mouse; etc)
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> P
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