Re: FW: Pointer target size

18px area I mean...

Op do 29 okt. 2020 22:12 schreef jake abma <jake.abma@gmail.com>:

> Small addition, even with this adjustment you'll en up with a 18px target,
> imagine the right one is 24, the left 12 with 6px spacing will pass
>
> Op do 29 okt. 2020 21:37 schreef Sukriti Chadha <sukriti1408@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Alastair, Rachael, Chuck and MATF members,
>>
>> In today's MATF meeting, we went over the latest proposed wording in this
>> document
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_EHFVE-p4jEtKFa2jMEUruSvu6iv-Vt7UxRW9SrHTCQ/edit>.
>> Jake brought up a great point with an example. It had two adjacent targets
>> of 12 px width with a 6 px spacing that would pass this criteria even
>> though each would have only 18 px in total instead of the 24 we are aiming
>> for (a drawing is included in the doc). It would run into similar problems
>> as the one before where smaller target sizes might be encouraged due to
>> shared spacing. To avoid that we added "non-overlapping" to the distance.
>>
>> Please let me know if I can help clarify. Thank you everyone for your
>> patience with this!
>>
>> Best,
>> Sukriti
>>
>> PS We also looked into going with a 24X24 version of 2.5.5 (the AAA
>> version) but considered elements such as side rail links that aren't part
>> of sentences but standalone links which would fail the criteria on a large
>> number of websites even though those are the only targets in a 24X24 area.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I should have CCed the task force as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Alastair Campbell
>>> *Sent:* 22 October 2020 15:53
>>> *To:* WCAG list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed pointer-target-spacing yesterday, and whilst there was a
>>> general wish to carry on with it, we needed a new version to account for
>>> some of the comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve gathered a couple of suggestions together to form this version:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For each target, the horizontal and vertical distance between the center
>>> of the target and the closest edge of the nearest target is at least 12 CSS
>>> pixels except when:
>>>
>>>    - *Inline*: The target is in a sentence or block of text;
>>>    - *User Agent Control:* The size of the target is determined by the
>>>    user agent and is not modified by the author;
>>>    - *Essential*: A particular presentation of the target is essential
>>>    to the information being conveyed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Note*: The User Agent Control exception would not apply as soon as
>>> styling properties such as font size - and in the case of mobile/tablet
>>> browsers, viewport meta - has been modified by the author
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Google doc version
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_EHFVE-p4jEtKFa2jMEUruSvu6iv-Vt7UxRW9SrHTCQ/edit?usp=sharing>
>>> )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don’t panic about the “12px” bit, that is the same as 24px wide/tall but
>>> if you measure from the center then you half it. It was a suggestion from
>>> Jeff Witt in #1444 <https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/1444> that
>>> should prevent the shared space aspect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CCing Wilco to make sure the testing perspective is considered for this
>>> approach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are other comments to deal with, but does this seem like a good
>>> basis to continue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Alastair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @alastc / www.nomensa.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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